Thanks for bringing this up, again. It is one of my favorite subjects. You have done a great job of describing the range of behaviors that women may demonstrate, regarding their pee sounds, and their camouflage of them, if they wish to do so. I think the reasons which women may have for inventing all of the tricks you mention, both for concealing and revealing their pee sounds, are at least as interesting as the tricks, themselves, and I have described them in 3 basic categories, based on those attitudes.
It is important for men to understand, and distinguish among these reasons, and the attitudes which give rise to them, in order to have harmonious relationships with these women. Men who want to get closer to any of them, must understand the psychological basis of the women's attitudes toward peeing, or they will approach them in the wrong way, and be rejected or ignored. I have experienced this, as well as acceptance.
On 1/6/21, you posted,
"I think a lot of times Women can even use those sounds to turn on guys they like and other times a girl may even let you hear her hot pee sounds to test your attitude towards her pissing sounds."
1. Erotic Pissing: Some women, such as those you describe, in your post of 1/6/21, may believe their peeing sounds are sexy, or hot, and will turn guys (or other girls) on, whether or not they find the listeners attractive. A woman with this attitude usually perceives a strong positive connection between peeing and sexuality, and assumes that peeing is part of her appeal, so the sounds of her peeing are also attractive. So audio pee privacy is not usually a big deal, for her, and she may be quite relaxed and nonchalant about allowing her sounds to be heard, or even leaving the bathroom door partially open, so she can be seen, peeing. She may also make spontaneous, unsolicited comments about her peeing, or relate intimate details of incidents involving it, without prompting. As you point out, her main concerns are that men who are unattractive to her may be drawn to her, by her pee sounds or their visual sightings of her, while peeing, or that listeners outside the bathroom may find her pee sounds socially inappropriate (hissing too loud, going too long, audible sighs of relief, etc.)
2. Super-Private (Shy) Pissing: Women showing this attitude are the exact opposites of those with the erotic attitude, in that they may believe that their sounds, and their bodily processes themselves, are gross, ugly, dirty, or disgusting. So they may conclude that their sounds are anti-erotic, and will turn listeners of either gender off, whether or not there is any mutual attraction, between them and their listeners, on other levels. A woman with this attitude may also perceive a strong connection between peeing and sexuality, but in a negative context, because of social conditioning, or actual experiences. These are the women you mention, who usually make a big deal out of pee privacy, closing and locking the bathroom door and running tap water, or even shower water, as you describe, to cover their sounds, believing that those sounds are a huge sexual turn off, or socially embarrassing, at the very least. They almost never make spontaneous comments about their peeing, even in the most general terms, and will change the subject, or otherwise evade direct questions about it.
3. Utilitarian, Non-Erotic Pissing: A third group of women may feel neutral, being mostly unaware, or uncaring about the effects of their pee sounds, or even being viewed, while peeing, on potential listeners or viewers. Pee privacy is usually not a big deal to these women, so they may be quite nonchalant about being heard, or even seen peeing, as with the erotic attitude, above. So it is easy to confuse the two attitudes, based on behavior, if the underlying psychology is unknown. A woman with this attitude may not perceive much of a connection, if any, between peeing and sexuality, and she might be quite surprised at a man making that connection. Or she may simply take it in stride, realizing that some, but not all men, are interested in it, for no reason which makes sense to her. One act is the natural excretion of bodily wastes, and not inherently erotic, to her, while the other is potentially intimate and pleasurable. But the two functions are not connected, in her view, although they use some of the same body parts. So discovering that a man is making an erotic connection between her pee sounds and her sexuality may not be a turn-on, for her. It will probably not make any difference, but in fact, may make it awkward, for her to relate to that man. She sees her peeing as totally natural, and so she is usually not embarrassed or reluctant to talk about it, at least in general terms, although she may not volunteer intimate details.
These three basic attitudes depend heavily on a woman's upbringing, cultural conditioning, and life experiences, and they may vary with specific situations, in the same woman. I think these same basic views may apply to women's attitudes toward being observed, visually, while they pee, although the cultural taboos connected with viewing, or being viewed, are much deeper and more intense, so these situations are more complicated by issues of privacy, especially in the present time.
In public bathroom or outdoor situations, involving sound or visual observation, perceived filth, "germophobia," etc., may complicate matters. For example, a woman may want to "hover," squat, or even stand, over a public toilet, to avoid the filth she may associate with touching or sitting on it, but she might have fears of potential embarrassment, if she is heard, or seen, in a very revealing posture, which may give rise to louder, easily identifiable sounds. So she may elect to paper the seat, and sit down, with her legs pressed together, to minimize both.
Although I am not aware of any statistics on the popularity or relative prevalence of these attitudes, I have known, and had experiences with real women who have exhibited characteristics of each of them. I will start by posting an experience with a lady who I think was approaching me with an erotic attitude, but I have never been absolutely sure that her views were not simply utilitarian. I plan to post experiences with women who presented more of that, and the other views later, if there is interest among readers.
peeingone wrote (1/6/21 3:04 p.m.) @Ppgirl:
"Like if you are a guy and let's say that you are good in hearing distance and the bathroom is near you then the girl will pee very loud on purpose and will try to make those sexy pee sounds girls make as much as possible and after she is done with her peeing she will come out of the bathroom and try to look at you to see if you are hard or not. I have noticed a few girls doing that to me and some other guys before."
I had an experience which was almost exactly as you describe, many years ago, but I failed to recognize it, at the time. Here it is:
"Ellie" was an attractive lady, with whom I worked, in the 1970's and '80's. She had stunningly beautiful legs, which she loved to show off, wearing the shortest of miniskirts throughout the entire decade of the 1970's, and beyond. (Like Ally McBeal on US TV in the late 1990's). She was a few years older than I, recently divorced, and reputed to be a "swinger," at the time. We had many enjoyable, titillating conversations, at work, and eventually began dating, casually, but had not yet slept together, at the time this incident took place.
I convinced her to go along with me on a short business trip, to an adjacent state. We knew we would be sleeping together on the trip, and talked about it intimately and enthusiastically, during our day-long drive to our destination. She told me to bring along some "protection", since she was off the pill. (Her steady boyfriend had had a vasectomy, while I had not, at that point.) After checking into the motel, we showered separately and dressed for dinner, all casually and uneventfully, since we had 3 days, and there was no hurry to "jump each other's bones," as the saying went, at the time.
We were about to leave for dinner, standing together between the bathroom door and the room door, talking about the restaurant we had chosen, and how far it was from the motel. She asked me how much time it would take to get there. "About a half hour," I said. She turned to me, took my hands in hers, looked deeply into my eyes and said, "I have to "go" before we leave, OK?"
Without waiting for my answer, she slipped into the bathroom, pushing the door minimally, to a half-closed position, but still open about a foot, on the knob side, with a lesser gap, on the hinge side. She left it there, as if it didn't really matter to her, since she was just following a social protocol.
"Go ahead, get comfortable, we've got plenty of time to make our reservation," I replied, through the half-open door, trying to sound as casual and relaxed as possible.
Her manner was a huge (and very welcome) surprise to me, maybe a pleasant shock would be more accurate, since we had not yet slept together, and she was about to pee with no real visual or sound barriers between us! I was accustomed to women nervously closing and locking bathroom doors, and even running tap water to cover their peeing sounds, in similar situations, no matter how "liberated" they pretended to be, in the early to mid 1970's, when "women's liberation" and the "sexual revolution" were becoming popular.
The way she looked into my eyes and held my hands when she informed me of her need to pee, made me wonder if she was giving me some sort of invitation. I also wondered why she hadn't peed in complete privacy, without telling me, at all, during the time she had spent showering, and dressing for dinner, behind closed doors. That was my experience with most women I had dated, up to that time.
Seeing the half-open door, I was sorely tempted. I really wanted to watch her pee. But I knew that at this delicate point in the relationship, I didn't dare just walk in on her, or stand in the open doorway and watch her, where she could see me. To do so could be considered extremely rude, possibly frightening, creepy, or disgusting to her, thereby ruining what could be a great few days together. And I knew she would tell everyone at work what a sicko pervert I was, if she took it particularly badly. So I was torn between curiosity, lust, and fear. Curiosity and lust won, but I was extremely careful, knowing what I perceived to be the risks.
I moved silently to a point near the bathroom door, where I could see through the narrow open space between the hinge and the jamb, yet not be seen easily from her position, on the toilet. I had a perfect right side and partial front view of her, sitting on the toilet, short skirt gathered very high, around her waist, totally out of the way, panties below her knees, with her beautiful, smooth bare thighs fully exposed and separated comfortably, about 3 or 4 inches apart at her knees, and open all the way up to her slit, (which I could not see), very relaxed. She had a length of toilet paper, which she folded slowly and neatly, while she peed, and draped carefully over her left thigh, ready for use, and she was looking down at her thighs, presumably watching her stream, between them, rather than at the door. I could not see her pussy or her stream at this angle, but I could hear everything extremely well. This would have to do.
Although she sat in a very relaxed, nonchalant fashion, and her need hadn't seemed urgent when she told me she had to "go," her stream gushed and sprayed forcefully into the bowl, hissing loudly, stopping and re-starting three times, before slowing to a trickle and finally stopping. Although I had heard gallons of female pee, growing up with a mother and three younger sisters, in a small house, with one bathroom, I had never heard anything like this. The gushing and hissing were a fantastic turn-on, and the stopping and starting were incredibly exciting, nearly driving me over the edge, as I imagined her spraying her inner thighs and bum, with a burst, each time she re-started!
I also wanted to watch her wipe, since I was confident, in my fantasy, that this spectacular audio performance would have left her thighs and bum quite wet, or at the very least, sprinkled with a few drops, from the hissing sprays, and repeated starts and stops. I wanted to see where that wetness and those dribbles had landed, on her body, and watch how she wiped them away, if she tried to.
But I quickly came to my senses and moved discretely away from my vantage point, realizing that if she looked up from her thighs, to the doorway, and caught me too close to the bathroom door, it would give the game away, and all could be lost. I moved a modest distance away from the door, and feigned interest in my road map, while I waited for her to finish peeing and wiping, still able to hear everything going on, in the bathroom.
She emerged from the bathroom after a few minutes, still smoothing her skirt, and checking her bare legs in the full length mirror, presumably for dribbles. She looked me up and down, seemingly surprised to see me so far away from the bathroom door, but didn't say anything. I was polite, refraining from making lewd comments, like asking her if everything came out OK. We went to dinner, and slept together, for the first time, that night, and I never mentioned her very erotic peeing.
I wanted very much to watch her pee, with her consent, but I had no idea how to approach her. I didn't know if her behavior arose from her seeing her pissing as non-erotic (utilitarian), which was becoming a popular, "natural" view, in the 1970's, or if she was coming from the erotic attitude toward pissing, and testing my interest, or even teasing me, which I had not experienced first hand, at that time. So I never brought the subject up, for fear of being considered as a "perv." by her.
I have related this experience to several women friends, in the years since, and all agree that she was testing my interest in her peeing, or teasing me. "Ellie" and I dated, off and on, for about ten years after this incident, and she always peed the same way, when we got back to her house, leaving the bathroom door halfway open, hissing loudly, stopping, and re-starting several times, in one sitting. In all that time, I never summoned the courage to approach her, or ask her about her very erotic peeing style.