Estimates of the percentage of women into pee?

[DoctorDoctor 1,380]

16 hours ago, gldenwetgoose said:

I'm going to add to this topic - I may be taking it in a slightly different direction, but still relevant I hope:

I was recently having a discussion with another member about the cases where someone joins and instantly asks "anyone in XYZ city want to meet up", and that got me thinking about the distribution of OUR peefans populations - purely as averages of course.

 

Firstly we know that Peefans has a lifetime membership of 42,400 although many of those members are no longer active.

One fairly simple way to estimate how many are currently active members arises from the way I construct the Birthday Shout thread - on the 'Activity' page you'll see a list of members who, in their profile, have included a date of birth.  Some of the 42,400 have and the rest haven't.   Now, looking in broad estimate terms there are maybe 40-50 members declaring a birthday on any given day, more on the first of any month and a lot more on 1st January.

So let's assume that on average 50 members have declared each day as their birthday - that would be 50 x 365 members with birthdays in their profile - so 18,250 members which is  43% of the total lifetime membership.

Now when I construct the birthday shout, I look at members who've contributed content and who've been active in the last three months or so.  And on a given day, of the 50 birthdays that's maybe 2-4 members on average.  Now we can factor that up to members active in the last six months and allowing for those who've not actually posted content, but then we should also factor back down for those who've joined and then decided not to carry on.   So then my wild guess is up to 6 members out of the 50 which is 12% of members being active ongoing users of the site within the last year.

Working back to the 42,400 lifetime membership then, a very rough guess would be that maybe 5,000 Peefans members regularly pop in and view the site, even if they don't regularly post content on it.  

 

Now let's think how that relates to the population in general...

Currently the population of Europe is nearly 750,000,000 and North America is 375,000,000 and Oceana is 44,000,000  (assuming those as the areas where most of the Peefans population live).  So in total that's an area with a population of 1,169,000,000 people.

So the bad news is, that within America, Europe and Australasia, if you stood 233,800 people in a group then perhaps one of them is you or me, an active member here.  in other words to have two peefans active members together at random you'd need to be in a crowd of half a million people or so.

 

(Previously in my day job, I've done a bit of project estimating and the company I worked for had a couple of levels of estimates.  ROM were rough order of magnitude and were fairly accurate whereas WAG estimates - standing for wild arsed guess were somewhat less so.  Also known as back of a fag packet estimates.  And this definitely fits in the latter category.  

Nice analysis.  I am guessing there are many interested visitors that aren't willing to register.  Have you ever looked at unique cookies or IP addresses in say, a month of people that return.  Some people may accidentally visit until they get a better idea of the content, but those that keep returning for more than one session have some interest in pee.  

[gldenwetgoose 21,460]

10 hours ago, Bacardi said:

@gldenwetgoose

So im guessing the likelihood of that second peefans member of the crowd being a woman is slim to none 😔

Well - that’s a good point, since it seems that a lot of the people asking are men, asking about ladies.

If you work on a ratio that 80% of members are male and 1 in 233,800 people are active members - then the chance of you as a lady being in the crowd is five times less likely.

Unless one of us buys you that much needed plane ticket…

 

10 hours ago, DoctorDoctor said:

Nice analysis.  I am guessing there are many interested visitors that aren't willing to register.  Have you ever looked at unique cookies or IP addresses in say, a month of people that return.  Some people may accidentally visit until they get a better idea of the content, but those that keep returning for more than one session have some interest in pee.  

Great points and thanks @DoctorDoctor and you’re absolutely right - there’s lots of pee fans who just anonymously browse without being registered just as there are lots of people in the world who probably have the kink without ever knowing this site exists. 

I don’t have access to any IP or similar information, just the stats visible to all.

Hovering over a user’s name can give quite a picture though - when they last visited for example indicating whether they’re a current user. Combine that with the number of posts and when they joined will give an idea how active a user they are - one post in five years is probably an automated post on the members map, compared to a few dozen or more posts over the last year. 
I’ve sort of correlated people who are active here as being those who’d be outgoing enough to meet in real life - which is a flawed assumption in itself I guess. 

But of course it’s pure guesswork over our friends who enjoy the site passively without choosing to post. 

[Kupar 13,320]

50 minutes ago, gldenwetgoose said:

Unless one of us buys you that much needed plane ticket…

Well indeed 🙂

[Bacardi 10,109]

@Kupar @gldenwetgoose

Hahahaha. You can increase the chances of me being in your group of 233,800 people by buying me a plane ticket 🤣 I love it.

And I also love looking at statistics. Thanks Goose. Really put things in perspective for me. 

[gldenwetgoose 21,460]

Remember though any statistic is based on large numbers of assumptions- lots of those in this thread. 😉

[MidoriLemonade85 2,351]

Ok, so I have heard there are way more boys than girls here on the lovely PeeFans site, so thought, as a female I better give some input. 😊

As others have mentioned, you are never going to get accurate stats on this, unless you can run some kind of super anonymous survey, but yeah, even then people might not give you their whole truth. It is kind of a touchy, embarrassing and anti social topic, after all. 

I have had relationships with women and men. No women I came across mentioned they liked watersports. One male partner said he did like it. I thought he was trying to impress me, as I said it first. But he did genuinely seem to like it. Another male partner rolled his eyes when I told him and said “god why are girls into that stuff?”. We never did any pee play together, but plenty of other kinky stuff. 
 

my current partner doesn’t seem to want to talk about it at all, which is why I am here, to chat to you beautiful people and prove to myself that I’m not crazy! It is my hope and wish one day that we can engage in pee play more, but right now, it takes a backseat, and lives in my private moments or in my imagination rather than in my marriage presently. 
 

i think pee play attracts a certain type of person….open minded, spiritual, or perhaps people tired of the vanilla status quo, and maybe even those of us with destructive tendancies or dom-sub fetishes too.  But then again, its something that doesn’t require any special equipment, so even a secretive housewife like me can get away with it, and nobody in the world knows about it, except you guys and girls, of course. 
 

I am sure everyone here wishes the percentages were higher, but unfortunately, you and I are quite rare, friends. Most people, unless they are specifically introduced to this by a loving partner, just wouldn’t consider it a thing. In regards to percentages, here is my guess…

Percentage of women into self pee fun (holding, naughty peeing solo peeing, wetting, enjoy peeing fun alone)? - 15% (its not ladylike)

Percentage into watching others (such as friends or partners)? - 20% (this is fun and a little more sociable)

Percentage into participating in pee play with friends or partners? - sorry I am going to say 15% to be real. And in that they might only try it once. Those who do it regularly are super rare. 

Edited July 16, 2022 by MidoriLemonade85

[MidoriLemonade85 2,351]

On 6/11/2022 at 11:00 AM, MasterDarcy said:

Wow. Those are high figures!

From my own experience:

3%

2%

3%

Watersports is taboo. It's still one of the most taboo fetishes there is. It's up there with scat and incest and beastiality. Is that fair? No. Bu it's true.

I'm in the BDSMverse. Of all the kinksters that I've ever known over the years, I'd say that only about 5% were interesting in watersports. And that's me being generous.

As far as the vanilla women I've known, maybe 1% were into watersports. 

I wouldn’t say its in the same category as those fetishes no. Regular porn can sprinkle in a bit of pee play (you like what I did there?), and get away with it, but not those other things. Those are a long way removed from watersports. 

[Alpian 684]

@gldenwetgoose, I like your quick stats - interesting to learn a bit more about general member structure here. Do you have stats distinguishing male vs. female? But I'm wondering if that would be a fair representation of the world out there, as I've an impression (no scientific study to back up) that women in general tend to be more stealthy about their sex life and less likely to get pulled into the male dominated pornverse. Honestly, as a woman you need to be quite tough to resist the incessant inflow of inappropriate messages you're immediately subjected to when you join a place like peefans (and this place is really well moderated, contrary to most other places in the pornverse).

There's some hope though: Among all the women who have agreed to try pee related stuff with me, I'm sure none would go as far as join this forum. None was really, really into it. But a couple were interested enough to make it a regular thing. So guys: heads up and dare to bring up the subject! At the ladies out there: you'll find one of us out there, no doubt, if you really go looking for us 😉 Obviously, there are things more important in real life...

[likesToLick 10,216]

On 7/17/2022 at 12:04 AM, MidoriLemonade85 said:

I am sure everyone here wishes the percentages were higher, but unfortunately, you and I are quite rare, friends. Most people, unless they are specifically introduced to this by a loving partner, just wouldn’t consider it a thing. In regards to percentages, here is my guess…

From my own experience,  I tried introducing the idea to two girlfriends on different occasions,  both times when we were already in a sexual relationship.   Both were willing to give it a try,  and then found that it actually excited them when we did it.   ( Both times I invited them to pee on me,  and they both felt a thrill of pleasure when I licked pee from their pussies.)

Neither of them suggested it to me in the first place,  and my strong impression was that they hadn't done it before, but after we tried it,  they both asked to do it again on other occasions.

So,  I can't make a good guess about the original question,   but if the question was "How many women discover that they enjoy it if the idea is introduced to them?"  then my experience was one hundred percent.  Of course it's a small sample. 

[MidoriLemonade85 2,351]

1 hour ago, likesToLick said:

From my own experience,  I tried introducing the idea to two girlfriends on different occasions,  both times when we were already in a sexual relationship.   Both were willing to give it a try,  and then found that it actually excited them when we did it.   ( Both times I invited them to pee on me,  and they both felt a thrill of pleasure when I licked pee from their pussies.)

Neither of them suggested it to me in the first place,  and my strong impression was that they hadn't done it before, but after we tried it,  they both asked to do it again on other occasions.

So,  I can't make a good guess about the original question,   but if the question was "How many women discover that they enjoy it if the idea is introduced to them?"  then my experience was one hundred percent.  Of course it's a small sample. 

Well, you lead a charmed life. 💖💖

and oh yes, all in the name of research 😉

licking is the best isn’t it? I could do it all day. 

i guess most people would enjoy pee play if introduced to it in such a charming way. 

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11 hours ago, MidoriLemonade85 said:

i guess most people would enjoy pee play if introduced to it in such a charming way. 

Well thank you,  that's very sweet of you to say so. ☺️

11 hours ago, MidoriLemonade85 said:

licking is the best isn’t it? I could do it all day

Oh yes. It's my most favorite way of lovemaking.  Totally delicious, and I love how a woman can come multiple times while I am kissing her there.  All day, any day 😋

[Kirby23 950]

I like the idea of using our own experience with sexual partners as a measuring stick for relative percentages. I haven't had a large number of different partners, but among the ones I've had, only one (my wife) definitely was not into it. 

My ex-wife was into it (I've made several posts about her in the past), and brought it up to me before I ever brought it up to her. When we first got together, she "tested the waters" with me (pun intended), by mentioning to me that her friend told her that she and her boyfriend (both of whom I knew) "tinkled on each other in the shower". I think she was trying to gauge my reaction. 

Prior to that was just summer flings, or short-term partners. Among those, the topic of watersports never really came up, I was just happy to "get some" whenever I could, haha.

During college, "S" and I fooled around several times, and she was very open about peeing, since we often did stuff outdoors, and she would usually pee before or after we did it. But pee wasn't part of our repertoire in-and-of-itself

"R" never peed with me / in front of me, but I think she would have if I had asked - she seemed kind of kinky. She peed in my basement once when the (only) bathroom was occupied. I didn't hear about it until afterwards, unfortunately. I also don't know exactly where in the basement she peed, just that she did, ha. In later discussion when I asked she was embarassed, so I dropped it. 

"S" (a different "S", a summer fling) was relatively inexperienced when she and I first got together, but she was very open, and I feel like she would've tried it if I'd asked. I do know she wasn't embarassed by peeing, because she later admitted that she peed in the pool (out of convenience) when we'd swim together.

Those are my data points!

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On 7/18/2022 at 7:51 AM, likesToLick said:

From my own experience,  I tried introducing the idea to two girlfriends on different occasions,  both times when we were already in a sexual relationship.   Both were willing to give it a try,  and then found that it actually excited them when we did it.   ( Both times I invited them to pee on me,  and they both felt a thrill of pleasure when I licked pee from their pussies.)

Neither of them suggested it to me in the first place,  and my strong impression was that they hadn't done it before, but after we tried it,  they both asked to do it again on other occasions.

So,  I can't make a good guess about the original question,   but if the question was "How many women discover that they enjoy it if the idea is introduced to them?"  then my experience was one hundred percent.  Of course it's a small sample. 

In the women I've been intimate with it's about 20 percent for certain pee related scenes.  After you've been in bed a few times and are familiar with each other's wants, needs, and kinks it's much easier to broach the subject without being seen as odd or weird.  Usually I'll front the issue after a few beers or drinks, when she has to pee, and I'll casually ask if I can watch her pee.  If it's just after she's cum she'll usually allow that, or if she's at the midstage of  foreplay and she knows it will turn me on, she'll let me come in to see her on the toilet.  Usually that leads to her stroking me while she sprays and that  excites the forbidden side of her and leads to an enormously hot and wicked fuck as soon as she's done.  Over the course of time we explore more and more options including watering each other, anal spraying and insertions with pee, outside adventures, and so on.

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On 6/5/2022 at 8:24 PM, Bacardi said:

These percentages were just based off of my experience and what I know about my female friends. Most of my friends admitted to enjoying watching other people pee.

Agree far more enjoy watching and/or listening and will admit to arousal after witnessing.  One gf would tell me she would listen for other women peeing in a crowded restroom and some sounds would get her juices flowing and then she'd simultanously pee and masturbate.  I admit to enjoying seeing and hearing women pee of course.  She also told me that watching men pee made her mouth water and that she'd alway imagine orally cleaning the remnants off a cock at the end.   She wasnt so much in it for the urine, it was the sexual aspect of the act and the naughtiness of it that appealed to her.

 

[Hornyrrd 91]

Hi, im a female into self peeing and hopong to participate in the future xx

[MidoriLemonade85 2,351]

On 7/19/2022 at 9:54 AM, likesToLick said:

Well thank you,  that's very sweet of you to say so. ☺️

Oh yes. It's my most favorite way of lovemaking.  Totally delicious, and I love how a woman can come multiple times while I am kissing her there.  All day, any day 😋

You are welcome! Sounds very passionate! I have licked/sucked both males and females, and it is such an intimate, sensory pleasure. I think giving is more fun than receiving, and just exploring all the amazing parts of the human body and what they can do and how they taste and feel on the tongue, and just connecting, soul to soul. And adding pee to the mix is just another level. For me it’s the wetness/mess/soaking factor and the forbidden factor, as well as just feeling free of restriction.  But also the lovely sharing of our fluids, loving everything about that person, inside and out. Most of my adventures take place in my imagination more than real life with my husband but I hope as we get older and sex life matures I can add pee play to the mix. Feeling it, tasting it, touching it appreciating it and his skin. 

[Dr.P 1,473]

@MidoriLemonade85, Your post reminds me of experiences I had with a very beloved GF, long ago. She allowed me to watch her pee, and lick her "dry" afterward. I would then lick her to a mutually satisfying orgasm, on the bed. She always put a towel underneath her, to keep the bed dry. As she approached her orgasm, she would often feel that she needed to pee, and would warn me, saying, "You better stop licking that spot, or your face will get awfully wet, in a few seconds! I feel like I'm going to pee!" "Go for it! Bring it on!" I would answer. At about that point, she would have her orgasm, and I would taste her juices, but no pee, unfortunately. One day, when this had happened several times, and she gave me her usual warning, I replied, "Promises, promises!" and we both laughed uproariously. I continued licking her special spot, and she had her usual orgasm, without releasing any pee. That is one of many experiences that I wish I could repeat, until she manages to flood my mouth with her delicious lemonade, which never happened! Hope you continue to enjoy your experiences with your husband.   

[MidoriLemonade85 2,351]

7 hours ago, Dr.P said:

@MidoriLemonade85, Your post reminds me of experiences I had with a very beloved GF, long ago. She allowed me to watch her pee, and lick her "dry" afterward. I would then lick her to a mutually satisfying orgasm, on the bed. She always put a towel underneath her, to keep the bed dry. As she approached her orgasm, she would often feel that she needed to pee, and would warn me, saying, "You better stop licking that spot, or your face will get awfully wet, in a few seconds! I feel like I'm going to pee!" "Go for it! Bring it on!" I would answer. At about that point, she would have her orgasm, and I would taste her juices, but no pee, unfortunately. One day, when this had happened several times, and she gave me her usual warning, I replied, "Promises, promises!" and we both laughed uproariously. I continued licking her special spot, and she had her usual orgasm, without releasing any pee. That is one of many experiences that I wish I could repeat, until she manages to flood my mouth with her delicious lemonade, which never happened! Hope you continue to enjoy your experiences with your husband.   

Oh I do hope you find someone who will wet your face during pleasure. 💖

sometimes my husband promises to pee on me and jokes about it but doesn’t carry through😔

i will keep wishing on a star for wetness. 🌟

[steve25805 125,841]

On 7/15/2022 at 7:29 AM, gldenwetgoose said:

I'm going to add to this topic - I may be taking it in a slightly different direction, but still relevant I hope:

I was recently having a discussion with another member about the cases where someone joins and instantly asks "anyone in XYZ city want to meet up", and that got me thinking about the distribution of OUR peefans populations - purely as averages of course.

 

Firstly we know that Peefans has a lifetime membership of 42,400 although many of those members are no longer active.

One fairly simple way to estimate how many are currently active members arises from the way I construct the Birthday Shout thread - on the 'Activity' page you'll see a list of members who, in their profile, have included a date of birth.  Some of the 42,400 have and the rest haven't.   Now, looking in broad estimate terms there are maybe 40-50 members declaring a birthday on any given day, more on the first of any month and a lot more on 1st January.

So let's assume that on average 50 members have declared each day as their birthday - that would be 50 x 365 members with birthdays in their profile - so 18,250 members which is  43% of the total lifetime membership.

Now when I construct the birthday shout, I look at members who've contributed content and who've been active in the last three months or so.  And on a given day, of the 50 birthdays that's maybe 2-4 members on average.  Now we can factor that up to members active in the last six months and allowing for those who've not actually posted content, but then we should also factor back down for those who've joined and then decided not to carry on.   So then my wild guess is up to 6 members out of the 50 which is 12% of members being active ongoing users of the site within the last year.

Working back to the 42,400 lifetime membership then, a very rough guess would be that maybe 5,000 Peefans members regularly pop in and view the site, even if they don't regularly post content on it.  

 

Now let's think how that relates to the population in general...

Currently the population of Europe is nearly 750,000,000 and North America is 375,000,000 and Oceana is 44,000,000  (assuming those as the areas where most of the Peefans population live).  So in total that's an area with a population of 1,169,000,000 people.

So the bad news is, that within America, Europe and Australasia, if you stood 233,800 people in a group then perhaps one of them is you or me, an active member here.  in other words to have two peefans active members together at random you'd need to be in a crowd of half a million people or so.

 

(Previously in my day job, I've done a bit of project estimating and the company I worked for had a couple of levels of estimates.  ROM were rough order of magnitude and were fairly accurate whereas WAG estimates - standing for wild arsed guess were somewhat less so.  Also known as back of a fag packet estimates.  And this definitely fits in the latter category.  

An interesting breakdown of stats. Certainly in the 12 years I have been active here and before that on peesearch, I have to my knowledge never encountered anyone who lives in the same city as me, a city of a third of a million people. The closest I know of is someone who has moved to a town about 25 miles from me, and a friend I made on peeseach who lives 250 miles away but has a holiday home only 50 miles away. We have met up many times in real life and have become real life friends, but our peeing interests are so different that we don't really connect sexually and are just friends.

As far as the OP is concerned, in regards to the proportion of women interested in pee, I well remember from a decade or so back some anonymous Channel Five survey on sexual interests. In spite of guaranteed anonymity only 1% of female respondents expressed an interest in peeing, whilst 4% of males did so. I would like to think these are under estimates but if they are accurate then only one in a hundred women and one in 25 men share our fetish.

That does still mean though that in my workplace there is according to the averages likely to be one female into peeing and four males. I guess I am one of the latter four, lol.

[steve25805 125,841]

On a slightly different angle, although our fetish is obviously very minority - how small or large that minority is is open to debate and conjecture - I do wonder if there can be a genetic component to our fetish.

That is because my interest in girls peeing on carpets was first piqued by the discovery that my sister had gotten into the habit of peeing on her own bedroom carpet, and was apparently happy enough to pee on mine. And she seemed to enjoy peeing in the shower  and stuff. We were too young at the time to know about anything sexual but she was definitely into naughty peeing. I well remember the gleeful expression on her face as she squatted and peed on the carpet.

I also heard many years later from a former girlfriend of my brother that he had an interest in being peed on, and I once stumbled acroos a pic on an amateur pic site of his wife squatting and peeing in a car park. Bit of a surprise, that one.

Point is that as well as myself, both my siblings appear to have some kind of interest in peeing. That's three out of three. Considering how much of a minority interest our fetish is, this can surely only be explained by there being a gentic element involved in our interests.

[DannyRomand 135]

I'm inclined to agree with the lower numbers here. I've read a few articles that came out around the time of the Trump story, and they've always been in the region of 10% for men and <5% for women.

I'd say this News story is fairly representative.

 

[JDG 869]

It also really depends on what you consider to be "into" pee. 

My girlfriend has a lot of fun peeing in places which aren't a toilet. She thinks it's a liberating feeling and just finds it fun to pee in naughty places. But it's fun for her in the same way that playing a board game or watching Netflix is fun, she doesn't get any sexual arousal out of it. Given the amount of pee content on YouTube and other social media by "normal" girls and how they act in that content, I think a lot of women feel the same way. That might give a completely wrong view if you want to make an estimation of women into pee. 

My current gf makes up 50% of my sexual partners by the way, so I don't think I should work with those numbers😆

What I can tell is that I never ever discussed pee with my ex, but when she had to go when we were in the shower, she would get out and go to the toilet. So I think it's safe to say she wasn't into pee at all. Also our sex was as vanilla as it can get, just missionary and nothing else, so she wasn't kinky in any way. 

[Kupar 13,320]

7 hours ago, JDG said:

What I can tell is that I never ever discussed pee with my ex, but when she had to go when we were in the shower, she would get out and go to the toilet. So I think it's safe to say she wasn't into pee at all. Also our sex was as vanilla as it can get, just missionary and nothing else, so she wasn't kinky in any way. 

From a sexual perspective if nothing else, it sounds like your current gf is a more fun person to be with 🙂 

[Alfresco 11,610]

On 8/1/2022 at 11:30 AM, steve25805 said:

I do wonder if there can be a genetic component to our fetish.

I sometimes wonder that as well.  The specific event that makes me think was when My Dad and I were watching the local village carnival procession (small scale event with floats).  We were watching out of the upstairs window of our house that faced the street.  There were people lining the street and a woman came onto our property and went to pee behind a trailer we had parked there.   It was before I looked at peeing in the way I do now and I was going to shout out of the window at her but Dad stopped me, saying it was fine, she needed to pee and there wasn’t anywhere else.  He watched from above as she pulled down her jeans and squatted, spraying her pee onto the concrete hardstanding, then pulled her jeans back up and rejoined her party.   I remember saying something about the large puddle on our concrete ad Dad just said something like “It will dry it’s fine”

He also had no issues with any of the family peeing outside when out walking etc and he sometimes told of embarrassing times my mum had to pee outside and was nearly caught.

I never did ask him about it and it is too late now, however when I looked through the hard drives and CDs of the computers he left, I found lots of pics of naked ladies, but none pertaining to peeing, so maybe I was wrong anyway.