Are Bad People More Often Into this Kink?

[CON2H4 661]

Ok so full trigger warning, this is going to be dark, but I want to get this of, my chest.

 

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Why are so many child abusers into pee?

I'll give three examples

Neil Foden was a super head teacher in North Wales, known to have groomed and abused some of the girls he tutored one on one. Including a detail in which he pressed on the bladder of one of his victims in an attempt to make her urinate.

Alexander McCartney was a teenage boy from Northern Ireland who used indecent photos of female children to lure gay and bisexual female children into sharing their own images, which he'd then use to blackmail them into doing horrendous things. Including urinating in a cup and drinking it. In total 3500 victims are known to authorities, including one suicide victim whose story was used to push for a successful manslaughter charge.

And of course, who could forget R. Kelly, the American musician who from what I gather, is a convicted child abuser, who urinated on a child in an infamous tape.

 

I could go on

 

What I wonder is, are paedophiles more likely to be into pee than the general public? Or is it just that I'm noticing it more. Perhaps we don't hear much about upstanding citizens indulging in pee play with their consenting spouses because who cares and they deserve privacy? Or perhaps people who molest children are more likely to believe their activities won't be found, so they feel safer to try it? Or perhaps details of urinating on children makes it a more compelling story? 

I don't know, but it bothers me. I know superficially sharing a kink does not mean I have any real connection to those people, but I still feel tainted.

If you know of any kind and amazing people with a pee kink, please let me know. I'd love to hear about it.

Edited November 11 by CON2H4
Typing errors.

[gldenwetgoose 21,520]

I'm going to give my personal opinion here - as myself, and this isn't a staff position.  Just me.

I don't think it's possible to correlate - as you've hinted, and as we know from many other situations - it's only ever the shock and horror situations which make the news.  Whether that be the cases you've mentioned, whether it be institutionalised corporal punishment in some private school etc.  I'm not going to cite other examples because I don't feel it would be helpful.

But I do think your supposition that a happy adult couple (or for that matter non-couples) engaging in pee play happens on a fairly widespread basis, but just isn't reported.  I do think pee play is fairly normalised in adult circles - it's makes the news when a President is reported as having prostitutes pee on him.  Again only when it sells newspapers.  But for millions of people, nobody cares what happens in the bedroom, the BDSM dungeon, the rented hotel room.  It's just adults doing adult things.

On a personal level, I know maybe only one pee fan in real life (that I openly know about) - who I only know from here.  But we've met, spent quite a bit of time together and are dear friends.  I have absolutely 100% trust that they are a perfectly moral upstanding person.   I know a few more people on a social media basis - and it's on social media because they live in different countries on opposite sides of the world.  They have family lives and apart from keeping their pee interest from their partners (as I do too) they are to the very best of my knowledge also fine people I'd happily welcome into my home.

Then there are a range of people I've built up online friendships with here on Peefans - I respect their privacy and right to live behind the Peefans alias.  And rightly or wrongly, I believe that what they type here is a true representation of themselves.  On that basis, I trust them too as good, honest and caring individuals.   I know they have families, I know they work in trusted environments, they exercise choice and discretion to keep their adult activities in the right places.

All of the above do obviously have a pee kink.  They and I do have areas of our lives where our desires differ from many in society.  But enjoying pee play, maybe what some would consider vandalism, does not mean we are in any way abusers or worse.

I do think it's natural to sometimes feel loathing about our 'difference' and to worry about what is leading our behaviour, and where it may take us.   But I most definitely don't believe it correlates into evil or is any indication of any tendencies in the way you're concerned about.

No more than you or I responsibly driving a car down the road can be compared to someone who recklessly and willingly smashes their car into a crowd of pedestrians with the intent to maim and kill.

[Kupar 13,351]

I share @gldenwetgoose's analysis. I reckon the pee aspects of the lurid stories about horrible people are brought out to add to the sensationalism of the news reporting, and that it's almost certain that there are many, many, many times more non-criminals, and indeed good people, who are into the kink.

I hope this helps.

[ThePisard 21]

I agree with the above posters. I view it as similar to BDSM. The things they are into have been used to do bad things to people, but it is also used by good people to very lovingly have fun together.

 

The kink is not what matters, respecting consent is what makes you a good or bad person.

[Scot_Lover 1,878]

No, I don't think so, not when you consider how many people have signed up and been through our site. I've  been on this site for 10 years, and have never dealt with anything you have mentioned, the 3 cases you did bring up (and I have only heard of 1 of those) were all high profile 'newsworthy' people. You know the old saying 'sex sells'. 

I'm a normal person, married, and living a normal life, only thing different about me is that my partner knows, and she sometimes participates. Does that make us some kind of degenerate?

We both volunteer with community groups, both of us have a government 'Working with Children' certification, and for obvious reasons, our kink and involvement with it on various sites is kept completely private.

 

[CON2H4 661]

Thanks guys. I guess I should knock off the true crime documentaries a bit. Usually I can cope, but I probably shouldn't overdo it. They can make you lose faith in humanity.

[Hidengo 280]

I think the logic is a bit backwards. For a lot of things like this, what looks like a correlation is actually a causation. By which I mean, it’s not necessarily that the bad sort of folks are into the kink– they just tend to get into it. 

There are always going to be bad actors who care more about controlling and humiliating others than they do about consent. Lo and behold, having a kink or fetish for pee is often tied to ideas of control and humiliation. So of course if someone is into using those aspects non consensually, they’d take to avenues that lead in that direction. We just happen to reside on that avenue as they pass by, and it gets a bad rap.

[Kupar 13,351]

36 minutes ago, CON2H4 said:

Thanks guys. I guess I should knock off the true crime documentaries a bit. Usually I can cope, but I probably shouldn't overdo it. They can make you lose faith in humanity.

They can ☹️

[oliver2 4,470]

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(19:35) 8 Percent of heterosexual women and 19 percent of heterosexual men reported fantasizing about [pee] in the survey, while 20 percent of gay and bisexual women and 40 percent of gay and bisexual men said they had.

 

[PeeOV330 143]

I think it depends on what draws you into the kink and how you relate to that. Not so much the fact that "bad people" tend to have piss kinks or people with piss kinks tend to be "bad people", but sex and psychology is complicated and things overlap.

Like, I'm sure a lot of people develop a interest in pee at a young age because they have sexual interest awaken before sexual understanding and peeing is the closest thing to sex that they can perceive, and they lock into a kind of sexual immaturity. This also happens to a lot of pedophiles, locking into sexuality at a young age and never exiting that. Not that it means one leads to the other, or that having a sexual immaturity is in any way wrong (most people have core memories of early sexual feelings) but both the harmless stuff and the dangerous stuff can both kind of come from the same place. 

Another thought would be about voyeurism and exhibitionism. That's a big thing for a lot of people with piss kinks, I would include myself among them. There's a line there with consent, and some people are willing to cross it, others have a presence of mind to keep that in check. 

 

The other major one I think about is the relationship with piss and bdsm. Not my thing, and I think, from I see a lot on here, not the main thing for a lot of people in this forum. Plenty of people don't have a piss kink and engage in piss in sex because they see it as a way to degrade the other person. That's also perfectly fine but that's another line about consent

[kvark 212]

Nope. There are (basically, I know, BASICALLY) three main types of pee fans:

- People who (want to) drink piss from others, but have absolutely no desire to "piss back". This category consists of worshippers and admirers, and they will always despise any kind of sexual violence towards their desired group, I belong to that category. It hurts them that the one they drink piss from, might receive piss from others.  But they might not give a rats ass about sexual violence towards people outside of their own desired group (again, not necessarily - but they aren't always automatically nice people) At the very same time, they might even be mercenaries, and kill for money (not necessarily lol) (I'm not a mercenary, too old for that shit, and I can't stand loud bangs anyway) Could there be peadophiles hiding in this category? Of course; but they will not be the types who want to molest the child brutally - they would like to lick the genetals, caress, and drink the piss. (And no, I'm not one, I have a life long fetish for the old, fat hags, preferably 60+ years old, saggy titties, greish haired pussies and all.)

- People who (want to) piss on others, but have absolutely no desire to "get it back" However - they might at the same time have a weak and mild heart for little animals, and be perfectly safe to have around children. But they could also be peadophiles - and this group would be violent peadophiles, who would want to rape the child. Again - piss fetish and peadophelia don't go hand i  hand - but they are - on the other hand - no special reason they wouldn't be peadophiles.

- People who are into "mutual waterspoerts" - I have this funny vision they are doctors and nurses, and engage in wild watersport orgies, wearing their white coats, open - taking notes, filming - err and such. (I know, I know, lol) For some reason - I guess this group is the least likely to hold peadophiles - but again - not necessarily.

In other words - pee fetish and pedophelia have nothing in common - but they are, at the same time, not opposites. Just like drunk driving and gender dysphoria have nothing in common, but at the same time aren't opposites.

Life is complicated 

ps: Don't let strangers look after your children. Look after your own children.

Edited November 11 by kvark

[Library_Lady 130]

12 minutes ago, kvark said:

People who are into "mutual waterspoerts" - I have this funny vision they are doctors and nurses, and engage in wild watersport orgies, wearing their white coats, open - taking notes, filming - err and such. (I know, I know, lol) For some reason - I guess this group is the least likely to hold peadophiles - but again - not necessarily.

Working in a medical environment allow me to say you're right about our fetish being enjoyed by med folks and also they being the least likely to be criminals.  Most med's Ive met and worked with strongly believe in "do no harm" proviso of the Hippocratic Oath and also believe in experiencing the maximum pleasure a human body can provide.  And yes open lab coats, scrubs being wet internally, or nurses squatting over bedpans is tremendously erotic.

[kvark 212]

@Library_Lady - are you effin kidding me? Great, great, great. Ha ha hahaa. Love it. Totally love it. Thanks. And goodnight - it's ALARMINGLY LATE - again.

[ppppppp 1,499]

9 hours ago, kvark said:

Nope. There are (basically, I know, BASICALLY) three main types of pee fans:

- People who (want to) drink piss from others, but have absolutely no desire to "piss back". This category consists of worshippers and admirers, and they will always despise any kind of sexual violence towards their desired group, I belong to that category. It hurts them that the one they drink piss from, might receive piss from others.  But they might not give a rats ass about sexual violence towards people outside of their own desired group (again, not necessarily - but they aren't always automatically nice people) At the very same time, they might even be mercenaries, and kill for money (not necessarily lol) (I'm not a mercenary, too old for that shit, and I can't stand loud bangs anyway) Could there be peadophiles hiding in this category? Of course; but they will not be the types who want to molest the child brutally - they would like to lick the genetals, caress, and drink the piss. (And no, I'm not one, I have a life long fetish for the old, fat hags, preferably 60+ years old, saggy titties, greish haired pussies and all.)

- People who (want to) piss on others, but have absolutely no desire to "get it back" However - they might at the same time have a weak and mild heart for little animals, and be perfectly safe to have around children. But they could also be peadophiles - and this group would be violent peadophiles, who would want to rape the child. Again - piss fetish and peadophelia don't go hand i  hand - but they are - on the other hand - no special reason they wouldn't be peadophiles.

- People who are into "mutual waterspoerts" - I have this funny vision they are doctors and nurses, and engage in wild watersport orgies, wearing their white coats, open - taking notes, filming - err and such. (I know, I know, lol) For some reason - I guess this group is the least likely to hold peadophiles - but again - not necessarily.

In other words - pee fetish and pedophelia have nothing in common - but they are, at the same time, not opposites. Just like drunk driving and gender dysphoria have nothing in common, but at the same time aren't opposites.

Life is complicated 

ps: Don't let strangers look after your children. Look after your own children.

It's much more complicated than that.

[CON2H4 661]

12 hours ago, oliver2 said:

 

Well that lends credence to the idea that people who aren't afraid to try one unconventional thing, aren't afraid to try another.

[1badboy 582]

I do not think there is any link between pee fetishes and pedophilia.

[kvark 212]

5 hours ago, ppppppp said:

It's much more complicated than that.

Of course - but briefly spoken, you know. That's why I wrote "basically", and repeated "BASICALLY" in capitols already in the first line. 

Edited November 12 by kvark

[Kiwi Watcher 19]

Well I'm not a bad guy and I love a bit of naughty peeing. I haven't murdered anyone. YET.  Haven't kidnapped anyone either. YET.  Haven't robbed anyone either. Not yet anyway. So I consider myself to be a nice guy. 

The problem is that the media will often latch onto things to sensationalize stuff. Ie R Kelly or Donald Trump. And those stories cast a negative light on it. 

 

[on the porch 728]

Ruth here 

 Why would you think its bad or we are bad , what my husband and me do is very special , its a close togetherness what we do and besides , Its fun

[Horse_water 693]

I enjoy the taboo elements of pissing especially the the public and exhibitionist elements of the fetish. However I don't relish the idea of causing real harm or trauma to anybody.  As an adult  I avoid exposing myself to anyone underage (not just for legality but because children don't deserve to be forced into anything.)

For this reason I don't piss on playgrounds or anywhere else kids are likely to be. When I was underage I did piss much more shamelessly but I did not do so out of malice for children as I did to upset adults.

[FarCry 6]

Don't know how to consider 'bad' but I have had this kink since I was a child growing up (I am M) and a family friend who was F - we were both probably 6 or so - would go behind her house and pee together. Fast forward through HS/college to now.  I am completely intertwined with it, one example, joined sports teams for a purpose of traveling co-ed (small school) on buses with no bathroom and witnessing, sometimes getting to the location and hearing the girls pee next to me in the outhouses or porta johns before our event. 1st relationship out of college my GF would go out drinking, I would pick her up and bring her back to the apt, and hear her loud pees.  Now I'm late 30s married - am 100% certain on my wife not being into this. I seek content on Youtube of F either saying they need to pee or inveterately leaving the camera on while they are in the bathroom or somewhere else and hear their streams, turns me on so much, but just how bad/immoral is it? I don't feel like I harm anyone doing it and I never ask or lure people, just try to seek and place in the scenarios.   My office bathrooms have thin walls also and you can clearly hear the women on my floor pee and who they are..idk I feel creepy and so shameful  especially being married. 

[likewetting 249]

In my opinion bad people are not necessarily into something silly and harmless as pee sex, but are more into hurting people and such.

 

[Moore007 474]

I would say that the conclusion of people with fetishes are automatically bad is like saying people who tend to seek certain professions like school teachers, psychologists, therapists etc.. automatically have problems with limits and are potential sexual abusers. If you have “bad” habits like for example drinking too much alcohol, using drugs or eating too much food, does that mean that you are a bad person? 
I think many kinks and fetishes may come from childhood trauma as well as bad habits but you can still be a good person and sure, many bad persons might have unusual sexual preferences but they also might have lack of empathy and general understanding of feelings and interaction with other persons.

[Adyguy6970 882]

I don't think there's any conclusive evidence to suggest that people who are into criminal or harmful activities are necessarily more attracted to pee than others. 

I have a lifelong interest in pee and I think it's entwined to a degree with my medical history, but I don't believe that I'm a bad person or that having such interests makes me bad at all.  No doubt most members here could and would say something similar.