Could we not have politically insulting posts.

[Blackinksoul30 1,239]

We are a collective community of people with their own interests/passions. Our own feelings/opinions. 

I personally don't think it's a kind idea to make politically driven posts insulting another persons feelings/beliefs. Or make posts to publically in a form 'make fun' of another persons feelings, beliefs, values etc. Making a mockery of someones values really devalues the 'acceptance' that I thought this website had. We accept each others bodies etc. If we don't like someones body we are mature enough to not openly insult them. The same should be said about religious and personal values. We don't make a post with the goal though to insult people. That i feel should not be allowed on here. To me that divides us and makes a riff between members here and clearly and very openly puts others in a bad light. 

For example I would never make a post making fun of disabled people. 'Jokes about people making up illnesses.' then post pictures of people that i 'feel' don't look disabled and have everyone judge them. 

If this is going to be allowed on this site, then where is the line drawn? Is everything fair game to make a post about with the goal to insult a group of people? Is there going to be a post about black people? Is there going to be a post about Mexicans? Is there going to be a post about certain religions. I honestly thought as a group we were better than that. 

This is just my opinion. I would hate to see what this website would become if we can now openly devote posts to insulting others. You are basically teaching others that it's okay to be rude and passing it off as a funny joke. It's not funny. It might be funny to your close friends, but this site, weither people like it or not consists of people with different ethnicities, backgrounds, beliefs and values. Black, white, Asian, Hispanic and more. Christian, Methodist, atheist and more. And different sexuality. Yes straight, gay, lesbian, trans etc all exist here. People living in different countries around the world. Each person here should be respected and treat others with respect. No one should single out groups of people. 

Some may think i'm being overly sensitive and a crybaby.  But on a site that a pee kink and sex is openly discussed, bashing people should be the last thing that we think is 'cool' or do as a 'joke'. If that becomes a 'thing' here that's 'acceptable' then people will start to worry that other things will be judged negatively as well. 

Edited June 1, 2019 by Blackinksoul30

[F.W 5,650]

hmmm surely we must have freedom of speech and expression?to "offend"and be "offended"?This is the trouble with the world these days,everyone getting offended by everything.As long as no-one attacks a particular member in person,i.e is just downright rude to someone,i dont see why we should have to mind what we say.

Im Catholic.If you dont like Catholics,then thats your opinion.It wouldnt bother me.

Im pretty right-wing in my politics.If you dont like that,then up yours.In the nicest possible way of course i mean.

But i wouldnt insult anyone because they were black,or disabled,but i would lampoon their beliefs maybe,if i thought they were stupid.Then again,they might think my beliefs were stupid,and rightly say so.Isnt that how it should be?

Edited June 2, 2019 by F.W

[UnauthorisedGuy 472]

1 hour ago, F.W said:

Isnt that how it should be?

No, that's not how it should be.

[gldenwetgoose 20,205]

I'm with @Blackinksoul30 on this one - This is an awesome forum with great tolerance for pretty much every aspect of the pee fetish, the one thing we could do with is more active participants.

As far as general posting goes, I'm 100% for freedom of expression of views and the natural diversities that brings - whether it be favourite football teams, food, pets, sexual preferences or my pet-hate, politics.

As soon as an individual's diverse opinion is used as a discriminator against them, or they use it against another then something has gone seriously awry.  Celebrate the bond we have, strength in numbers and not superiority for any given belief.

[steve25805 121,098]

A bit of like-hearted fun at the expense of what each other believes is fine within limits in my opinion but if it crosses a line into becoming overt mockery then no, we should not really be ok with it. Whether or not it is a moderation issue - we have rules against being negatively judgemental towards each other in a way that can make each other feel unwelcome - really depends on the exact nature of the thing being said. Anyone can always report it to us.

[Peefreak99 3,703]

I have never seen anyone geting insulted here but in a way i agree with F.W people are so pc and sensitive now i mean look only 30 years ago then it was MUCH harder to offend someone people are so silly today but i get your point there's a difference on a insult and opinion tho. For example if you believe in something theres a huge difference on saying " i don't believe in that because blablabla" and saying " you idiot who the fuck would believe that bullshit" the second one is a insult on YOU but the other one is just a opinion. See my point? And of course nobody should feel bullied but im just trying to say what happened to people? 30 years ago freedom of speech was real because then that freedom was socially accepted now you can only tallk if you have the "right" opinions. Btw @Blackinksoul30 where have you seen anyone being bullied? If that happens just call for admin and the bully will get kicked out:)

[Blackinksoul30 1,239]

The 'Movies for snowflakes' post on 'General' is what inspired this post. 

 

It's a very obvious political post to bash those that believe in powerful women and LGBT. There is honestly no reason to openly bash LGBT or strong brave women by mentioning feminists. 

 

YES you are insulting gays and womens rights in that post. You are complaining about gays. You are clearly obviously stating that you're against them by complaining about todays what you feel is 'overly sensitive' people. 

That post really isn't necessary. Steven this isn't lighthearted... it's very clear and obvious bashing by insulting specific 'Groups' of people that certain people are clearly uncomfortable with or 'against'. 

Mentioning snowflakes in the title..... come on now.. how much more obvious can you get... even those living under a rock know that the term snowflake is the term that certain presidential supporters call those that support womens rights and LGBT rights.  The post is not humorous or light hearted. And if people think it's funny then it truly pushes the boundaries about what people can post as 'jokes' on here.

 

Like I said, we have all aspects of the rainbow on peefans. Everyone is welcome here. That post and even the title is not what peefans is. It's not welcoming. It's rude. And this is not me being overly sensitive.... This post is clearly targeting groups and complaining/laughing at them.

Edited June 2, 2019 by Blackinksoul30

[Peefreak99 3,703]

3 hours ago, Blackinksoul30 said:

The 'Movies for snowflakes' post on 'General' is what inspired this post. 

 

It's a very obvious political post to bash those that believe in powerful women and LGBT. There is honestly no reason to openly bash LGBT or strong brave women by mentioning feminists. 

 

YES you are insulting gays and womens rights in that post. You are complaining about gays. You are clearly obviously stating that you're against them by complaining about todays what you feel is 'overly sensitive' people. 

That post really isn't necessary. Steven this isn't lighthearted... it's very clear and obvious bashing by insulting specific 'Groups' of people that certain people are clearly uncomfortable with or 'against'. 

Mentioning snowflakes in the title..... come on now.. how much more obvious can you get... even those living under a rock know that the term snowflake is the term that certain presidential supporters call those that support womens rights and LGBT rights.  The post is not humorous or light hearted. And if people think it's funny then it truly pushes the boundaries about what people can post as 'jokes' on here.

 

Like I said, we have all aspects of the rainbow on peefans. Everyone is welcome here. That post and even the title is not what peefans is. It's not welcoming. It's rude. And this is not me being overly sensitive.... This post is clearly targeting groups and complaining/laughing at them.

I can't see anything offensive about that post and im sure steve did not mean anything bad but plz just lisstnen to me people are over sensitive these days i mean how come people are offended by things now that they would have laughed at just 20 years ago? Im sure nobody here has anything against gays or feminists this is one of the most friendly forums on the internet 

[Blackinksoul30 1,239]

People are offended because people are stereotyping LGBT.  Laughing at someones gay, if they didn't do anything funny is offending them. 20 years ago there wasn't a bunch of people in this country trying to make LGBT feel like they didn't belong. They weren't singled out and made fun of like it is today. Granted I was just a teen 20 years ago....but 20 years ago yes there were shows where men where in drag. There was a movie with patrick swazye where he was in drag. Yes they were comedy shows/movies..cause the shows were meant to be funny. They were comedy shows. They were supposed to be laughed at in light hearted laughter. The goal was to make people laugh. 

LGBT are being made the focus points of cruel jokes by people that truly don't accept them at all and being told that they are going to go to hell and all that other blah blah blah not true stereotypes that of course people that are singled out and already made to feel like they have no place on this world.... of course they won't like being called 'Insensitive'. The laughter in that post is from people that are against lgbt and the laughter is meant to be judgmental and cruel and stereotypical. 

I really don't get the point of the post. It's really just to share narrow minded views of unacceptance and pass it off in a laughing matter. 

 

So if i made a post titled "Some Christians think they follow Gods word."    Then post my opinions about Christians with memes about them. would that be funny to you? would that not bother you? I've been to a strict all Christian church.... trust me I have my opinions but i'm not gonna make a whole post devoted to it. 

 

If at the end of F.W's post it said something like, 'This is not to make fun of LGBT and women and i'm sorry if it does so.' But see i don't think the post would have ended like that. Cause the post was indeed intended to poke fun of LGBT and women. That was the whole point of the post. 

Edited June 2, 2019 by Blackinksoul30

[F.W 5,650]

In the first place anyway,how does anyone know in advance what another person might or might not find "offensive"?

Its the slippery slope(oops,can i use the word "slope",i know its a demeaning term for oriental people),a slippery SLIDE,(thats better?),to madness.Where people have to virtually get everything they may write passed by some kind of arbiter,before publishing...Come on folks,lighten up.

[steve25805 121,098]

@Blackinksoul30, I understand where you are coming from on this

But the difference between you and him is in part a political one and mods cannot enforce political stances without losing their impartiality.

As far as I am aware, no member here has been insulted or mocked for anything. And I don't think FW's post is exclusively aimed at LBGT people but is intended to mock what he views as political correctness. I see nothing that is overtly homophobic.

The term "snowflake" is however intentionally insulting to those who object to certain things, so I have edited out this term in his thread title.

Beyond that, I don't think enough has been done by FW to warrant further action on my part, certainly not without consultation. But I will take your concerns seriously enough to link the other mods and Admin in to this thread to alert them, then open a private discussion between us in the mod subforum.  @Admin, @Sophie, @Scot_Lover

Finally, though, I would urge you in future to make your concerns known more privately to mods, because you risk generating public discord with FW and between those who back you and those who back him. We don't want unfriendly public flame wars here.

 

[steve25805 121,098]

7 minutes ago, F.W said:

In the first place anyway,how does anyone know in advance what another person might or might not find "offensive"?

Its the slippery slope(oops,can i use the word "slope",i know its a demeaning term for oriental people),a slippery SLIDE,(thats better?),to madness.Where people have to virtually get everything they may write passed by some kind of arbiter,before publishing...Come on folks,lighten up.

I think what we have here is oversensitive versus disdain for sensitivity. I do not think you have posted anything sufficiently bad to warrant further action, though the term "snowflake" could be taken as a term of personal insult by those who feel strongly about certain things so I have edited that out of your thread's title. We don't want to go around causing deliberate offense. Admin, the other mods and myself will discuss  this issue privately but don't worry about that. We're a fair bunch. A public issue has been made out of it though so we have to discuss it.

[Blackinksoul30 1,239]

25 minutes ago, steve25805 said:

@Blackinksoul30, I understand where you are coming from on this

But the difference between you and him is in part a political one and mods cannot enforce political stances without losing their impartiality.

As far as I am aware, no member here has been insulted or mocked for anything. And I don't think FW's post is exclusively aimed at LBGT people but is intended to mock what he views as political correctness. I see nothing that is overtly homophobic.

The term "snowflake" is however intentionally insulting to those who object to certain things, so I have edited out this term in his thread title.

Beyond that, I don't think enough has been done by FW to warrant further action on my part, certainly not without consultation. But I will take your concerns seriously enough to link the other mods and Admin in to this thread to alert them, then open a private discussion between us in the mod subforum.  @Admin, @Sophie, @Scot_Lover

Finally, though, I would urge you in future to make your concerns known more privately to mods, because you risk generating public discord with FW and between those who back you and those who back him. We don't want unfriendly public flame wars here.

 

Thank you for removing that word from the title. It is very much appreciated! Thank you to the admins and sophie and scot_lover as well.

[steve25805 121,098]

20 hours ago, Blackinksoul30 said:

If that becomes a 'thing' here that's 'acceptable' then people will start to worry that other things will be judged negatively as well. 

Rest assured that if anyone starts judging anything you suffer from negatively and mocking it, we will come down on it like a ton of bricks, especially so if it is deliberately aimed at you. But I don't think FW or anyone else here would ever do that and I would be both shocked, surprised, and extremely disappointed in them if they did.

 

[spywareonya 37,912]

I would love to just add that @F.W and I PM very often and he NEVER emanated the slightest disrespect for my attitude of female dominance. He knows I am stern, proud and mighty, and never felt insulted by my power nor he tried to undermine me

 

Indeed, his politeness bypass standard british good manners and trascends in the spiritual level: he LOVES me and he knows

1) I am bisexual

2) here more about my lesbian half

3) absolutely dominant

 

and yet he Always treated me with absolute honour

 

 

He is only terribly angry at "woke" culture. It means exaggerated political correctedness. Don't mistake me guys and girls, he had been critical of things I consider important, for example he considers clumsy to trust left-wing politics as he sees them as exceedingly idealistic and devoid of that mandatory pragmatism we must neve relinquish

 

I tried to explain him that it is not that clumsy, and yet he remained stern and proud… but he was never OFFENSIVE

Just

7 hours ago, Blackinksoul30 said:

rude

 

Yes he is!!! SO WHAT?????????

 

I love him the same and he loves me because of this!!!

 

Blackie, 

4 hours ago, Peefreak99 said:

this is one of the most friendly forums on the internet 

 

it's just that you see Fanny from A DISTANCE and it's NOT that you are

7 hours ago, Blackinksoul30 said:

being overly sensitive

but you see him from A DISTANCE

 

 

This makes you see things in a DARKER shade

 

 

 

Fanny is rude but absolutely good-hearted

I have proofs of it, I swear of my honour of Witch

 

 

He comes here for YOUR SAME REASONS: He looks for acceptance of his "Shadow", a psychiatric terms for our unconscious sufferings

He is mighty and aggressive and feel CORNERED in his life. You feel the same about your health problems.

Notice, sweetie, that this is a pee forum theorically and you usually talks ONLY about your problems. Beware this is NOT an accusation: half of my posts are about politic and the Occult. I mean a different thing: that you are here to conquer a HENGE, another psychiatric term to indicate "a positive entourage that will be used as a steroide to empower our psychological might to face our demons", and this is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!

MY GOAL is to turn this place from a piss forum into a builder of HENGES, and @Admin and @steve25805 understood this and gave me green light

 

You are here about this, and in my personal opinion, EVERYBODY here is secretely here (unconscious even to themselves) for THIS REASON

 

Fanny Watcher looks for being loved and accepted just like you: your demon is your suffering, which I LOVE and RESPECT to a degree that you never imagined, but he is here about the same reasons: his sufferings

And his sufferings are about a spineless world that hides shit under glitter dust and then says "what's that smell? no shit here, only glitter: so strange..."

 

 

We MUST go Beyond the character PLAYED by the one in front of us and SEE HIS/HER SOUL BEHIND AND BEYOND the personality

 

Doing this will solve everything. Lack of this will just turn a place into an hypocritical wasteland where all lives under the tyranny of people feeling insulted

You are not new to feeling insulted by this or that, Blackie, asking Mods to edit and remove

 

It's fitting and mandatory that you explore and feel how much we love you and your battles, but EVERYBODY need and deserve love

Fanny too

 

Beware everybody I am NOT saying I am comfortable with his seldom rudeness

But I do NOT picture him in the anger he takes out at what he feels as exceeding political correctedness

So yes maybe he should be more careful, because his is not simple freedom of speech but actual anger, yet we must understand why he says what he says, and react to his HEART, NOT TO HIS POSTS

Edited June 2, 2019 by spywareonya

[Admin 14,341]

Apologies for the bluntness of this post but I don't have a lot of time, but still wanted to give my thoughts on this...

To me, 'snowflake' refers (somewhat ironically in this instance) to those who are offended too easily.

In my opinion, that thread isn't attacking anyone. Is it quite poor taste? Probably yes. But to me at least it certainly came across as jokey rather than in any way abusive, and certainly not directly offensive to anyone in particular (I'm not sure where the gay/racist aspect of it comes in to play, but perhaps I am missing something?).

That said, whilst I believe people should have free speech providing it is not breaking our rule of insulting/harassing/criticising people, overall I agree with the sentiment in the first post.

This is a pee community. We're all united here by that interest and there is absolutely no reason to be posting anything that is likely to cause issues in the first place.

If we were a politics or debate forum, that would be different. But we're not. This is supposed to be a lighthearted place for people to come to enjoy themselves. 

Now at this stage I don't want to start imposing more restrictions on what can and can't be posted, because in my opinion I really don't think there has been much that has 'crossed the line'.  But I can certainly see that those kind of threads are pushing things in the wrong direction of what this site is about. 

I will keep a closer eye on things, and I agree with Steve that reporting posts is the best course of action so the mods can take an impartial look at it and make a case by case decision. 

However, I urge all members to remember this is meant to be a fun site - do we really need to get so politically charged so often here? Can't we just enjoy pee?

There's no way of me saying anything that can please everyone here, so all I ask is that everyone try to compromise a little.

Don't take everything to heart - often it's not meant maliciously. Members can be ignored if needed.

But likewise, don't unnecessarily post anything that is likely to offend anyone. Yes you can't predict what might offend someone, but you can normally take a pretty good guess. If it's more likely to put someone off using the site, it's best not posted. There's plenty of better topics to talk about.

Not everyone has to be best pals here, but we're all adults so I'm sure we can all get on enough and focus on what we do have in common...

 

[spywareonya 37,912]

@owlman76

For once I disagree with you, and it's rare since I usually worship more or less anything you say

This time I am convinced you are seeing things gloomier than they are

Even the most headlong people here can curb their opinions, and anyway we are all adult so even if attacked or insulted (I have been myself sometimes) we can SEE THE OTHER HUMAN Beyond his rude behaviour and express compassion, knowing nobody is without sin

 

I absolutely can guarantee you that those chats are harmless

The name of this thread refers not to politic but to politic in the guise of "political", like "politically correct", it was born because one of our pals created a thread (harmless in itself but with a title maybe misleading, currently edited) which made another friend here to summon these reflections

 

What makes great this forum is its immense width and depth, I adore switching from pee pics and videos to marvellous chats about World War 2, then foods and recipes, then again piss videos and so on...

 

Feel safe that this problem is a fake problem!!!

Because nobody wants to corner anybody's positions, people just express their own!!!

And in the ENORMOUSLY RARE chance of people attacking our beliefs, well… I am a grown up woman. I can endure and forgive. Everybody should learn to do so...

 

Kisses Owlman, and glad to read you again!!!