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Are Bad People More Often Into this Kink?


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Ok so full trigger warning, this is going to be dark, but I want to get this of, my chest.

 

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Why are so many child abusers into pee?

I'll give three examples

Neil Foden was a super head teacher in North Wales, known to have groomed and abused some of the girls he tutored one on one. Including a detail in which he pressed on the bladder of one of his victims in an attempt to make her urinate.

Alexander McCartney was a teenage boy from Northern Ireland who used indecent photos of female children to lure gay and bisexual female children into sharing their own images, which he'd then use to blackmail them into doing horrendous things. Including urinating in a cup and drinking it. In total 3500 victims are known to authorities, including one suicide victim whose story was used to push for a successful manslaughter charge.

And of course, who could forget R. Kelly, the American musician who from what I gather, is a convicted child abuser, who urinated on a child in an infamous tape.

 

I could go on

 

What I wonder is, are paedophiles more likely to be into pee than the general public? Or is it just that I'm noticing it more. Perhaps we don't hear much about upstanding citizens indulging in pee play with their consenting spouses because who cares and they deserve privacy? Or perhaps people who molest children are more likely to believe their activities won't be found, so they feel safer to try it? Or perhaps details of urinating on children makes it a more compelling story? 

I don't know, but it bothers me. I know superficially sharing a kink does not mean I have any real connection to those people, but I still feel tainted.

If you know of any kind and amazing people with a pee kink, please let me know. I'd love to hear about it.

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I share @gldenwetgoose's analysis. I reckon the pee aspects of the lurid stories about horrible people are brought out to add to the sensationalism of the news reporting, and that it's almost certain that there are many, many, many times more non-criminals, and indeed good people, who are into the kink.

I hope this helps.

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I agree with the above posters. I view it as similar to BDSM. The things they are into have been used to do bad things to people, but it is also used by good people to very lovingly have fun together.

 

The kink is not what matters, respecting consent is what makes you a good or bad person.

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No, I don't think so, not when you consider how many people have signed up and been through our site. I've  been on this site for 10 years, and have never dealt with anything you have mentioned, the 3 cases you did bring up (and I have only heard of 1 of those) were all high profile 'newsworthy' people. You know the old saying 'sex sells'. 

I'm a normal person, married, and living a normal life, only thing different about me is that my partner knows, and she sometimes participates. Does that make us some kind of degenerate?

We both volunteer with community groups, both of us have a government 'Working with Children' certification, and for obvious reasons, our kink and involvement with it on various sites is kept completely private.

 

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I think the logic is a bit backwards. For a lot of things like this, what looks like a correlation is actually a causation. By which I mean, it’s not necessarily that the bad sort of folks are into the kink– they just tend to get into it. 

There are always going to be bad actors who care more about controlling and humiliating others than they do about consent. Lo and behold, having a kink or fetish for pee is often tied to ideas of control and humiliation. So of course if someone is into using those aspects non consensually, they’d take to avenues that lead in that direction. We just happen to reside on that avenue as they pass by, and it gets a bad rap.

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36 minutes ago, CON2H4 said:

Thanks guys. I guess I should knock off the true crime documentaries a bit. Usually I can cope, but I probably shouldn't overdo it. They can make you lose faith in humanity.

They can ☹️

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(19:35) 8 Percent of heterosexual women and 19 percent of heterosexual men reported fantasizing about [pee] in the survey, while 20 percent of gay and bisexual women and 40 percent of gay and bisexual men said they had.

 

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I think it depends on what draws you into the kink and how you relate to that. Not so much the fact that "bad people" tend to have piss kinks or people with piss kinks tend to be "bad people", but sex and psychology is complicated and things overlap.

Like, I'm sure a lot of people develop a interest in pee at a young age because they have sexual interest awaken before sexual understanding and peeing is the closest thing to sex that they can perceive, and they lock into a kind of sexual immaturity. This also happens to a lot of pedophiles, locking into sexuality at a young age and never exiting that. Not that it means one leads to the other, or that having a sexual immaturity is in any way wrong (most people have core memories of early sexual feelings) but both the harmless stuff and the dangerous stuff can both kind of come from the same place. 

Another thought would be about voyeurism and exhibitionism. That's a big thing for a lot of people with piss kinks, I would include myself among them. There's a line there with consent, and some people are willing to cross it, others have a presence of mind to keep that in check. 

 

The other major one I think about is the relationship with piss and bdsm. Not my thing, and I think, from I see a lot on here, not the main thing for a lot of people in this forum. Plenty of people don't have a piss kink and engage in piss in sex because they see it as a way to degrade the other person. That's also perfectly fine but that's another line about consent

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Nope. There are (basically, I know, BASICALLY) three main types of pee fans:

- People who (want to) drink piss from others, but have absolutely no desire to "piss back". This category consists of worshippers and admirers, and they will always despise any kind of sexual violence towards their desired group, I belong to that category. It hurts them that the one they drink piss from, might receive piss from others.  But they might not give a rats ass about sexual violence towards people outside of their own desired group (again, not necessarily - but they aren't always automatically nice people) At the very same time, they might even be mercenaries, and kill for money (not necessarily lol) (I'm not a mercenary, too old for that shit, and I can't stand loud bangs anyway) Could there be peadophiles hiding in this category? Of course; but they will not be the types who want to molest the child brutally - they would like to lick the genetals, caress, and drink the piss. (And no, I'm not one, I have a life long fetish for the old, fat hags, preferably 60+ years old, saggy titties, greish haired pussies and all.)

- People who (want to) piss on others, but have absolutely no desire to "get it back" However - they might at the same time have a weak and mild heart for little animals, and be perfectly safe to have around children. But they could also be peadophiles - and this group would be violent peadophiles, who would want to rape the child. Again - piss fetish and peadophelia don't go hand i  hand - but they are - on the other hand - no special reason they wouldn't be peadophiles.

- People who are into "mutual waterspoerts" - I have this funny vision they are doctors and nurses, and engage in wild watersport orgies, wearing their white coats, open - taking notes, filming - err and such. (I know, I know, lol) For some reason - I guess this group is the least likely to hold peadophiles - but again - not necessarily.

In other words - pee fetish and pedophelia have nothing in common - but they are, at the same time, not opposites. Just like drunk driving and gender dysphoria have nothing in common, but at the same time aren't opposites.

Life is complicated 

ps: Don't let strangers look after your children. Look after your own children.

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9 hours ago, kvark said:

Nope. There are (basically, I know, BASICALLY) three main types of pee fans:

- People who (want to) drink piss from others, but have absolutely no desire to "piss back". This category consists of worshippers and admirers, and they will always despise any kind of sexual violence towards their desired group, I belong to that category. It hurts them that the one they drink piss from, might receive piss from others.  But they might not give a rats ass about sexual violence towards people outside of their own desired group (again, not necessarily - but they aren't always automatically nice people) At the very same time, they might even be mercenaries, and kill for money (not necessarily lol) (I'm not a mercenary, too old for that shit, and I can't stand loud bangs anyway) Could there be peadophiles hiding in this category? Of course; but they will not be the types who want to molest the child brutally - they would like to lick the genetals, caress, and drink the piss. (And no, I'm not one, I have a life long fetish for the old, fat hags, preferably 60+ years old, saggy titties, greish haired pussies and all.)

- People who (want to) piss on others, but have absolutely no desire to "get it back" However - they might at the same time have a weak and mild heart for little animals, and be perfectly safe to have around children. But they could also be peadophiles - and this group would be violent peadophiles, who would want to rape the child. Again - piss fetish and peadophelia don't go hand i  hand - but they are - on the other hand - no special reason they wouldn't be peadophiles.

- People who are into "mutual waterspoerts" - I have this funny vision they are doctors and nurses, and engage in wild watersport orgies, wearing their white coats, open - taking notes, filming - err and such. (I know, I know, lol) For some reason - I guess this group is the least likely to hold peadophiles - but again - not necessarily.

In other words - pee fetish and pedophelia have nothing in common - but they are, at the same time, not opposites. Just like drunk driving and gender dysphoria have nothing in common, but at the same time aren't opposites.

Life is complicated 

ps: Don't let strangers look after your children. Look after your own children.

It's much more complicated than that.

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5 hours ago, ppppppp said:

It's much more complicated than that.

Of course - but briefly spoken, you know. That's why I wrote "basically", and repeated "BASICALLY" in capitols already in the first line. 

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Well I'm not a bad guy and I love a bit of naughty peeing. I haven't murdered anyone. YET.  Haven't kidnapped anyone either. YET.  Haven't robbed anyone either. Not yet anyway. So I consider myself to be a nice guy. 

The problem is that the media will often latch onto things to sensationalize stuff. Ie R Kelly or Donald Trump. And those stories cast a negative light on it. 

 

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I enjoy the taboo elements of pissing especially the the public and exhibitionist elements of the fetish. However I don't relish the idea of causing real harm or trauma to anybody.  As an adult  I avoid exposing myself to anyone underage (not just for legality but because children don't deserve to be forced into anything.)

For this reason I don't piss on playgrounds or anywhere else kids are likely to be. When I was underage I did piss much more shamelessly but I did not do so out of malice for children as I did to upset adults.

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