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I was like you when I was younger, being very shy and private about bathroom issues and always wanting to do it behind a locked door, either at home or in a hotel room on vacation. I didn't even like the bathroom stalls in public bathrooms at school or other places and would usually try to hold it. I'm from the older generation, growing up in the 1970s and 1980s so I noticed that pretty much all the other boys my age where comfortable peeing in front of others in public bathrooms or outside (such as when camping). One clear memory was when I was nine and my father, my cousin and his father

As a guy myself, I've obviously seen a lot of guys peeing outside over the years. But one of the earliest experiences is still one of the most open/uninhibited that I've witnessed. It was at an all-boys summer camp when I was 13. One day the counselors took a group of us for a hike in the woods. After a while, we stopped and they built a campfire. I don't remember why. It was in the middle of a bright, sunny day. As we were getting ready to leave and it was time to put out the campfire, one of the boys asked if any of the others had ever pissed on a fire and someone commented on the sme

I've only done this with my wife, not long after we met. It was at my request as I recall. I thought it would be exciting to try. It was at our home toilet, though, not at a urinal. I'd certainly love to try it at a urinal if my wife would be willing to come in the men's room.

OK, that makes sense then. I understand that Europe, and especially Germany, is more relaxed about these things. I have a close friend from my university days who is half German, and he told me about a time he visited his relatives there in the early nineties. He said that when they went to the beach or somewhere where they needed to change clothes, his female cousins undressed in the parking lot right in front of him! As a young guy who grew up in the US, he was pretty shocked and amazed by this (but in a good way lol). Another time on that trip, he went to use the men's toilet in a nigh

Welcome, and yes, that is an awesome first post. Since you mentioned that you can only compare pee streams when you have the shower to yourselves I assume that it is a completely open communal shower with no stalls where everyone can see everyone else while they're showering, is that right? I was under the impression that communal showers were not very common anymore in the Unites States where I live. And even when they were more common for men my understanding is that the women's often had stalls even if the men's side didn't. Would you mind saying if you are in the US/Canada or in Europe

Yeah, no job is perfect unfortunately. But it sounds like it did have that one major perk that made it all worthwhile. I know you don't want to get too specific, but would you mind saying if it's eastern or western Canada, near the US border or farther north? I'm just curious. Canada is such a beautiful. It's dry desert where I live now so sometimes I miss the greenery. Was the women's behavior on your job typical of the women your age in other areas of your life, like in university or college? Or did the job and the surroundings bring out something in them that they wouldn't ordinarily

Wow, that sounds like a really fun job. I love being out in the country. I'm originally from New York State and we used to spend a lot of time in Wasaga Beach, Ontario, just north of Toronto when I was growing up. I love Canada. In the late 1970s they put in these provincial parks all along the beach that had undivided urinals in them. I used those quite a bit over the years. I'd love to hear your other stories when you get a chance. Did the women usually go far away behind a tree or a bush or was everyone more comfortable doing it more openly in close proximity?

OK, that makes sense then if it was an outdoor job and you already had a culture of peeing outside at work. That sounds like a great experience. Would you be willing to say if it was in the US or another country? Where I live in the Southwestern US I always see porta pottys at construction work sites, so I got the idea that peeing outside there was not that common or tolerated anymore. Maybe it's more common for landscaping jobs? I've never worked at that type of job before so I wasn't really sure how things worked there anyway. And I can see how having more women working these types of

That is just about the perfect story! I would love to have something like that happen to me. I really like the idea of a woman taking the initiative and pushing me outside my comfort zone by directing me where and when to pee in a public area. You say she was your work supervisor. Were you both about the same age and working in the kind of part time or summer job you might have in college/university? Or was it more of an office/professional type of job? I assume you knew her for a while and had socialized together before. I don't know if this was in the US or Europe, but this seems like

I've never been fortunate enough to have a woman use the urinal next to me. But one of my close friends from college told me about a time he was visiting the city of Reutlingen in Germany in the early 1990s. He went out with friends to a nightclub called the Rock Fabrique and said at one point during the night as he was peeing at the urinals a girl backed up to the urinal next to him and peed as if it was no big deal. I was never more sorry than at that moment that I hadn't accompanied him on that trip. It was the first time I had heard of this happening and found it hard to believe that a

Thanks for those encouraging words Beachmom! When I was younger I never felt comfortable discussing these issues with anyone but now that we have the anonymity of this site it feels great to open up about it and get the perspective of others. And again, I really appreciate your viewpoint because as I was growing up I always had the sense that it was the way I should be, I just didn't have the courage to make it happen. And I also appreciate you clarifying that you basically have a two-pronged approach, if I can describe it that way. You often just write a brief post stating/restating what

I had forgotten that I posted this, it's been several months, but thank you for responding to it. That's interesting that some Europeans are less comfortable with nudity than others, even if the nudity is that of other people, and that those who practice it still need to be concerned about the sensibilities of others who might be offended in a similar way as they would in the US. I agree with you that it is a shame that we are not as free as we were in the past, even in the US. I definitely regret now that I was so excessively modest when I was growing up. It made things a lot more di

There seem to be some strong opinions on this topic. I always prefer to lean more toward enlightenment than conflict. I'm about the same age as Beachmom and attitudes were definitely different back in the 1970s and 1980s. I think that I have a unique perspective because when I was growing up I was the opposite of what Beachmom has always consistently stated as her masculine ideal. I was extremely private about toilet issues, avoiding public toilets and peeing in the presence of other guys, eventually discovering that I was pee shy when I tried to "come out of my shell" and pee at the urina

Based on a lot of the music festival peeing videos I've seen, many women are very skilful at exposing very little when they are peeing outside. Only pulling their pants down to upper thighs, squatting very low, and quickly pulling them up again while revealing very little from the front. As someone who used to be very pee shy, my outdoor peeing experiences were pretty much limited to nighttime peeing outside house parties and bars. I've never been in a coed daytime hiking situation where peeing took place, although I'm still hoping to arrange that sometime. For a man, unless he's peeing al

I appreciate those details on the practicalities of peeing in the various skirts and dresses that were worn in the past. Not being a woman myself, I was a little hazy on how it all might have worked. It's interesting, though, how there is still some uncertainty about all this since these more intimate topics were less likely to be written down at the time, and once the culture changed these practices were quickly forgotten. Fortunately, there is still some information out there, even if some of it is speculation, because the topic is fascinating. I agree with your point about business

I was aware of bloomers, but did not know that they were open crotch. As I understand it, before underwear became common women would sometimes pee standing since nothing could be seen under their long dress and it would have been less obvious than squatting. But with the open crotch bloomers as seen in the photo, I would imagine it could get a little messy when peeing from a standing position. Do you think it would be more likely that a women would have to squat down to some degree to get the fabric to move out of the way? Or would they reach a hand underneath to clear it away? It seems l

I agree with you that it would be nice to be able to relieve oneself whenever and wherever, within reason, when in public without fear of legal repercussions or social disapproval. Certainly that was the case most often in the past, at least for men. I confess that before you mentioned the bourdaloue I had always assumed that women on long carriage rides would have urinated in the bushes at the side of the road. Now I realize that it probably was more often done inside the carriage, at least for the upper class women. Today, the US is too restrictive with public urination. More openness i

Don't get me wrong, I've used plenty of troughs over the years as an adult. In bars in college, and in gas stations, bus stations and markets when I lived in Mexico, and there are a few in parks where I live now. I was just saying if I had used them starting in kindergarten it would have been more normalized for me and less likely to strike fear in me the first time I saw one in college lol. I don't go to sports events too often but I know that is the best place to find undivided urinals and troughs, even today. There is a convention center here in town that used to have open urinals but w

It was a few years ago when I read this. The author didn't give too much detail but he didn't say anything to make me think it was a micropenis. I understood it to be some problem with the urethra or the tip of the penis that didn't allow the stream to come out neatly. And it sounds like it wasn't a one-time occurrence, but something he struggled with throughout his life. Obviously, there was no modern medical technology back then to correct the problem.

The book with the anecdote about Marie Antoinette is about more than just the French Revolution. It discusses the last decade of the 18th century, focusing on America, France and Russia during this period. It's called "The Great Upheaval: America and the Birth of the Modern World 1788 - 1800" by Jay Winik. It was a pretty fascinating read. I had never heard of the bourdaloue, I had to Google that one. But I know that before the mid 1800s and the advent of indoor plumbing, chamber pots or peeing outside were the only ways to get the job done. So definitely a much greater tolerance of

My wife tried aiming me a few times when we first met (at my request). It was a long time ago, but as I recall she did a pretty good job. I don't remember any extensive cleanup being needed.

If it's history related to peeing, I read a book several years ago about the French Revolution that commented at one point that when Marie Antoinette was being taken away to the guillotine from the place where she had been imprisoned, she stopped to pee in a corner of the courtyard before they led her away. It was obviously in full view of everyone present for it to be recorded for posterity. Apparently she didn't want to leave this world with a full bladder. I don't know if she was just thinking about comfort in the moment, or if she didn't want her bladder releasing at the moment of execu

I came across this law review article that discusses the privacy issues that come into play when urine samples are required to test for drugs. It's kind of dense reading and deals with legal principles within the US system, but I'm not a lawyer and I could follow it pretty well. It's got quite a few gems in it and talks pretty explicitly at times about how the test is monitored. It basically focuses on how the courts have taken into account the different expectations of privacy between men and women when using a public bathroom, with men and boys accustomed to being visible to others when u

I've mentioned before here and elsewhere that I used to be extremely private about toilet matters when I was growing up, only willing to do it behind a locked door. So that basically meant in the bathroom at home or in a hotel room if we were traveling. And even there I would pee sitting down (my parents never taught me to pee standing up; not sure why, they later taught my younger brother) which had the benefit of not making too much noise. I avoided public toilets and only used them in emergencies, which happened on a few rare occasions at school. I usually just held it for the whole sch

I suspected that you would appreciate their boldness, even if they are otherwise not too considerate.🙂