When naughty peeing continued into adulthood?

[oliver2 3,899]

10 minutes ago, Takashi96 said:

I'm voluntarily celibate. And also asexual. But I still find much of this behavior sexual. I suspect we are misaligned in our interpretation of what does and does not constitute sexual expression.

Genitals, body fluids, tension and relief? If pee isn’t sexual expression, it’s certainly, like, next door to it

Pet theory: there would have been more pee in sexuality in pre-agricultural ancient history, where cleanliness was less of an issue (because, with smaller groups of people, diseases were less of an issue, and, anyway, bathrooms hadn’t been invented). Urban life represses that, and tends to trim sexuality to fit, though, with some people less than others, and, well, here we are.

(This is more or less @spywareonya’s ideas, Agent-Sculley-ed into alignment with amateur evolutionary psychological handwaving)

 

 

[Kupar 12,395]

10 minutes ago, Takashi96 said:

I'm voluntarily celibate. And also asexual. But I still find much of this behavior sexual. I suspect we are misaligned in our interpretation of what does and does not constitute sexual expression.

Not sure I'm prepared to accept your challenge without a reply - I didn't define "sex" in my earlier comment 🙂 Maybe a two-dimensional frame then, rather than a spectrum: enjoyment of peeing on the x-axis and some scale of 'sexual enjoyment' (including solo, cis/heteronormative, whatever)  on the y-axis. Would that be more useful? Your hypothesis would be that there is no-one in the bottom right hand quadrant.

[Takashi96 847]

16 minutes ago, oliver2 said:

Genitals, body fluids, tension and relief? If pee isn’t sexual expression, it’s certainly, like, next door to it

Pet theory: there would have been more pee in sexuality in pre-agricultural ancient history, where cleanliness was less of an issue (because, with smaller groups of people, diseases were less of an issue, and, anyway, bathrooms hadn’t been invented). Urban life represses that, and tends to trim sexuality to fit, though, with some people less than others, and, well, here we are.

(This is more or less @spywareonya’s ideas, Agent-Sculley-ed into alignment with amateur evolutionary psychological handwaving)

 

 

I agree with everything you've said.

As for your pet theory? I have independently concocted the very same idea. And as someone with a pitiful lack of scientific training, I declare us correct.

[Takashi96 847]

14 hours ago, steve25805 said:

I had an interest in naughty peeing long before I knew it was anything sexual. The pleasure I got from it was sexual of course but I had no understanding of sex or sexuality so didn't realise it was sexual because I didn't know what sexual was. All I knew was that I enjoyed doing it in ways I could never have understood or explained. It was only later when I learned about sex that I realised my peeing interest was sexual. That came with the realisation that most people seemed to think anyone with such an interest was a pervert, which caused me to feel shame at my fetish for a long time. It was all such innocent fun before sexual awareness complicated matters.

In my case this interest has never left me - I wouldn't be on this forum if it had. I do know that I was interested - when still too young to understand why - when it came out that my sister had gotten into the habit of peeing on her bedroom carpet. A definite fellow naughty pisser. I could tell she enjoyed it by the big grin on her face as she peed on my bedroom carpet at my invitation. Suffice it to say at once we were both too young to understand the nature of sexual interest, otherwise it would have felt wrong. Once I became sexually aware I lost all interest in my sister peeing because it felt wrong then. As for whether her interest in naughty peeing continued into adulthood I don't really know, but quite possibly. I can remember hearing about her and a friend in their teens peeing in a school doorway somewhere on a day when the school was closed, for the viewing pleasure of some young lads who wanted to watch them do it. If she was happy to do that as a sexually aware teenager, I suspect her peeing interest remained with her into adulthood.

As far as the first part goes...get out of my mind. You have entirely too much inside information. Catholic background? Jewish? Both? I think the stigma of perversion is more  threatening to males. Which is not to say that an accusation of perversion isn't potentially damaging to women. But with men there's an added anxiety that we'll be branded as predators. A danger to women and children. An affront to the civilized world.

As for your second part? Now that is fascinating. What is that? Why is that? Are those feelings a type of proto sexuality. It's interesting that your sister's behavior triggered your interest. Would it have emerged eventually without her in the picture? Fascinating also that you suspect she shares your kink. But you haven't discussed it with her. And I understand why you wouldn't. That could be painfully awkward.

 

 

[Takashi96 847]

14 hours ago, Karuhowashere said:

I was born in a rural place so it was common for men to pee outside. When we moved to the city me and my brothers still peed outside. This is common in Tokyo but not as common as rural places.

For me peeing outside is not sexual but exciting because it breaks the "rules" of big cities and reminds me of childhood. My girlfriend has a similar thought even though she comes from the city. Its hot to watch her pee and for her to watch me but I wouldnt want her to pee on me or something like that lol.

Reading these messages is interesting, I didnt think people would be into peeing for so different reasons.

Your response is interesting to me. Peeing outside is not sexual but exciting. I feel the same way. My question is what is that excitement? It must be sexual in some way? Perhaps not to the degree that induces sexual gratification, but it's some kind of mild pleasure. At the same time, watching your girlfriend pee is hot to you. Is this only when she's peeing in the restroom? Or does she pee outside also? Do you two go out of your way to pee for each other? I don't believe a pee kink needs to include pee play or anything involving contact with urine in order to qualify as a pee kink, fetish, however you want to classify it.

I agree. The reasons and manifestations of this fetish have been eye opening for me as well.

[Takashi96 847]

8 hours ago, dltq said:

Oh, I realised it was a kink of mine all the way back when I was in second grade.

You knew what a kink was in 2nd grade? I am so confused. I'd like to inquire further but I fear we might run afoul of the rules.  

[Takashi96 847]

8 hours ago, barkdog said:

I'm probably an outlier here in that I developed a fetish for it instantly the first time I deliberately missed the toilet, and I was 18 at the time. I have no idea why, it just felt exhilarating at the time. Never did it as a kid. 

I have no proof, but I suspect you're right. That is fascinating!

My question is what compelled you to miss that first time?

 

[Takashi96 847]

Just now, Takashi96 said:

I have no proof, but I suspect you're right. That is fascinating!

My question is what compelled you to miss that first time?

 

That was a rhetorical question by the way.

[gldenwetgoose 20,250]

I'm going to suggest an imaginary scenario here...   And I've no idea if this is actually the case, whether we have members here with this as their reason for being a peefan...

Many of us can relate to individual occurrences, sightings or whatever which 'triggered' our interest.   But others here tell us that is not the case.

Imagine a person who had a very loving childhood, in a nurturing, caring family with a very close loving relationship.  Skip on to teen / adulthood and things are less rosy, life is not so wonderful, and that person craves happiness, comfort and someone to put an arm around them and tell them things will be ok.  Just like their mum or dad used to when they were tiny and had an accident in bed or waited too long at the playground and wet themselves.  Oh to be that small child again, to have that feeling of comfort....    And perhaps then a link forms that wetting is comforting and enjoyable....     Of course with absolutely nothing sexual at all - just a warm feeling of enjoyment and happy memories.

(And apologies to anyone who may relate and feel troubled by my pseudo psychology).

 

Just a thought.

 

Also BTW - it's great to challenge and explore other people's views, great that we can respect and accept them even when different to our own.  We need to make sure when challenging to extend our understanding, that it can't be read as a criticism of their position or experiences.

[Takashi96 847]

6 hours ago, PissDude said:

I have no idea how I ended up with this kink. I think my dad had unreasonable expectations for how long I should be able to hold it. Combine that with very early experiences with girls who had to relieve themselves. Somehow I came to equate the need to piss with sexuality and become aroused by the thought of a girl needing to relive herself. It is kind of like an orgasm though. It builds and builds and will release no matter what you want. 

I remember different times when I was young when a girls need to relieve herself would invoke certain feelings within me. But not consistently. That came later.

[Takashi96 847]

1 hour ago, Kupar said:

Not sure I'm prepared to accept your challenge without a reply - I didn't define "sex" in my earlier comment 🙂 Maybe a two-dimensional frame then, rather than a spectrum: enjoyment of peeing on the x-axis and some scale of 'sexual enjoyment' (including solo, cis/heteronormative, whatever)  on the y-axis. Would that be more useful? Your hypothesis would be that there is no-one in the bottom right hand quadrant.

That was not a challenge. Merely an observation. 

Unfortunately, my buffet of learning disabilities makes following all your axis references and quadrants and what have you, a tangle of intersecting words that I can't make sense of. My vocabulary is misleading, I'm not as advanced as I appear. Maybe some examples in more of a story form would make it more clear for me?

[Kupar 12,395]

4 minutes ago, Takashi96 said:

That was not a challenge. Merely an observation. 

Unfortunately, my buffet of learning disabilities makes following all your axis references and quadrants and what have you, a tangle of intersecting words that I can't make sense of. My vocabulary is misleading, I'm not as advanced as I appear. Maybe some examples in more of a story form would make it more clear for me?

Leave it with me. I'll see what I can do 🙂 Drawing the chart and populating it with examples would be a fun thing to do!

[Takashi96 847]

4 minutes ago, Kupar said:

Leave it with me. I'll see what I can do 🙂 Drawing the chart and populating it with examples would be a fun thing to do!

Maybe fun to make. But charts are even harder for me to follow because the columns move around on me. Switch places. It's very rude of them. Or my brain. Whichever party is responsible? I very much appreciate your suggestion though. I'm genuinely touched that you would go to such trouble to help me.

[oliver2 3,899]

2 hours ago, Takashi96 said:

I'm voluntarily celibate. And also asexual. But I still find much of this behavior sexual.

Well, if you would like, please feel free to talk more about what that means for you, in terms of what things are and aren’t arousing/interesting!

[Takashi96 847]

13 hours ago, oliver2 said:

Well, if you would like, please feel free to talk more about what that means for you, in terms of what things are and aren’t arousing/interesting!

Wow, that's tricky. Basically, I Iost my desire for being naked and fucking around with other humans. However, I still get hard watching girls pee and other stuff. 

I read something from Bacardi recently (I can't remember where), that echoed pretty much my identical sentiments on asexuality. I'll try to find it again. 

Edited August 4, 2022 by Takashi96

[steve25805 121,274]

1 hour ago, Takashi96 said:

As far as the first part goes...get out of my mind. You have entirely too much inside information. Catholic background? Jewish? Both? I think the stigma of perversion is more  threatening to males. Which is not to say that an accusation of perversion isn't potentially damaging to women. But with men there's an added anxiety that we'll be branded as predators. A danger to women and children. An affront to the civilized world.

As for your second part? Now that is fascinating. What is that? Why is that? Are those feelings a type of proto sexuality. It's interesting that your sister's behavior triggered your interest. Would it have emerged eventually without her in the picture? Fascinating also that you suspect she shares your kink. But you haven't discussed it with her. And I understand why you wouldn't. That could be painfully awkward.

 

 

I assure you that I have never been catholic, nor am I Jewish. In fact I do not really believe in organised religion at all, and have never felt any religious-based guilt.

The sense of shame I felt was purely down to peer pressure and what others would think of me if they knew. Being accepted by your peers is important in your formative teenage years, and sexual interests likely to cause many to laugh at you or think less of you if they knew, perhaps even feel disgust towards you, does tend to turn your interest into a dirty secret that you'd feel ashamed about people knowing about.

As for any early interest in peeing, in hindsight it was definitely sexual for me, even though I didnt know what that was at the time

[steve25805 121,274]

3 hours ago, Takashi96 said:

I'm voluntarily celibate. And also asexual. But I still find much of this behavior sexual. I suspect we are misaligned in our interpretation of what does and does not constitute sexual expression.

I myself am not exactly asexual. I notice the sexual allure of attractive women and some of their physical attributes - nice ass, nice breasts, nice legs, whatever.

And I am certainly not immune to sexual desire. But insofar as the physical aspects of sex are concerned I have always been far less interested in that than in actual peeing. Given the choice, I would much prefer to be peed on by a woman than to fuck her. Actual non-watersports vanilla sex I have a very low level of interest in.

[Sexismygod 1,762]

4 hours ago, Kupar said:

Maybe worth considering a spectrum from the "pee is an intrinsic part of sex and vice versa - it's a genuine fetish" on the one end and "I love the feeling of peeing freely / wetting my clothes, but ewww, sex? No thanks" on the other?

To be completely honest, my pee kink is less about sexuality and more about rebellion.  And I may be a rare site member in that I don't hold, don't wet, etc.  I just pee for the fun of it.

Yes, it gets me sexually excited, but I think the excitement comes from risky behaviour, "getting away with it", etc.  And, yes, I find images of women peeing to also be arousing.  But I don't pee under the table at Starbucks for sexual thrills ... I do it because it's fun and I enjoy the buzz of doing something like that.  Even the pictures and videos I share aren't directly aimed at my own sexuality.  I'm just a bit of an exhibitionist and enjoy having other people see what I've done.  I doubt I'll ever have the opportunity to pee openly in front of the public (though it's in the bucket list) so I video and share later.  The sharing is about being seen, nothing more.  How else can I prove that I actually did it?

I agree that there's an intrinsic sexual element but we should never assume that the sexual element is someone's primary motivation.

[Takashi96 847]

11 hours ago, steve25805 said:

I assure you that I have never been catholic, nor am I Jewish. In fact I do not really believe in organised religion at all, and have never felt any religious-based guilt.

The sense of shame I felt was purely down to peer pressure and what others would think of me if they knew. Being accepted by your peers is important in your formative teenage years, and sexual interests likely to cause many to laugh at you or think less of you if they knew, perhaps even feel disgust towards you, does tend to turn your interest into a dirty secret that you'd feel ashamed about people knowing about.

As for any early interest in peeing, in hindsight it was definitely sexual for me, even though I didnt know what that was at the time

I asked because Catholicism is renowned for the quality and thoroughness of its shaming. To the extent that by the time the child is school age it's already hardwired into their subconscious. God is ever vigilant, monitoring your thoughts like a celestial North Korea. And not even decades of atheism can scrub the residual stains of the trauma entirely. 

Nevertheless, one needn't be a recovering Catholic to internalize the shame of a terminal paraphilia. The inherent vulnerability of having no control over what pushes your buttons. That an act as mundane as urination can activate a frenzy of inner conflict, while simultaneously flooding the dopamine receptors. I remember once watching a low budget horror movie with an ex girlfriend (one of the few people I confessed to), when the woman onscreen exploring the old warehouse wandered into a toilet. Seeing the opportunity before her, the woman dropped her pants and began peeing. The ex girlfriend, seeing an opportunity to remind me of my affliction, chimed in with "I bet watching her pee is turning you on." Not in sympathy so much as waving the key to the shackles in my face. She understood that I was a hostage to my perversions. And sometimes that weakness amused her. Knowing how effortlessly she could ruin me with it. It's a humiliation I know well.

[Takashi96 847]

13 hours ago, gldenwetgoose said:

I'm going to suggest an imaginary scenario here...   And I've no idea if this is actually the case, whether we have members here with this as their reason for being a peefan...

Many of us can relate to individual occurrences, sightings or whatever which 'triggered' our interest.   But others here tell us that is not the case.

Imagine a person who had a very loving childhood, in a nurturing, caring family with a very close loving relationship.  Skip on to teen / adulthood and things are less rosy, life is not so wonderful, and that person craves happiness, comfort and someone to put an arm around them and tell them things will be ok.  Just like their mum or dad used to when they were tiny and had an accident in bed or waited too long at the playground and wet themselves.  Oh to be that small child again, to have that feeling of comfort....    And perhaps then a link forms that wetting is comforting and enjoyable....     Of course with absolutely nothing sexual at all - just a warm feeling of enjoyment and happy memories.

(And apologies to anyone who may relate and feel troubled by my pseudo psychology).

 

Just a thought.

 

Also BTW - it's great to challenge and explore other people's views, great that we can respect and accept them even when different to our own.  We need to make sure when challenging to extend our understanding, that it can't be read as a criticism of their position or experiences.

Wow, that was a scenario I had not considered. But still, even in the absence of an obvious sexual component, I imagine the larger "normie" society would still view that kind of activity as a form of perversion (despite the perfectly logical and reasonable origins behind it). The part I find difficult to imagine is someone with that tame of an interest being comfortable on this site. There's a lot of prominent exposed vulva and triumphant arcs of urine shooting forth from every direction. If I were simply into comfort wetting I might find such an overtly pornographic presentation intimidating. But what do I know? I've been on here less than a month, had a piss fetish for as long as I can remember, and still learn something new about it every time I'm on here. 

I apologize. I had no intention of coming across aggressively. I'm not seeking to expose heresy within the realms of piss perversion. I was simply stating my profoundly unscientific theories, based on my own limited observations. Going forward, I will make a concerted effort to restrain my stimulant addled incredulity. 

[Takashi96 847]

12 hours ago, steve25805 said:

I myself am not exactly asexual. I notice the sexual allure of attractive women and some of their physical attributes - nice ass, nice breasts, nice legs, whatever.

And I am certainly not immune to sexual desire. But insofar as the physical aspects of sex are concerned I have always been far less interested in that than in actual peeing. Given the choice, I would much prefer to be peed on by a woman than to fuck her. Actual non-watersports vanilla sex I have a very low level of interest in.

That sounds familiar. I've retained my physical attraction, but I no longer want get naked, warm, and wet with other people.

[Takashi96 847]

11 hours ago, Sexismygod said:

To be completely honest, my pee kink is less about sexuality and more about rebellion.  And I may be a rare site member in that I don't hold, don't wet, etc.  I just pee for the fun of it.

Yes, it gets me sexually excited, but I think the excitement comes from risky behaviour, "getting away with it", etc.  And, yes, I find images of women peeing to also be arousing.  But I don't pee under the table at Starbucks for sexual thrills ... I do it because it's fun and I enjoy the buzz of doing something like that.  Even the pictures and videos I share aren't directly aimed at my own sexuality.  I'm just a bit of an exhibitionist and enjoy having other people see what I've done.  I doubt I'll ever have the opportunity to pee openly in front of the public (though it's in the bucket list) so I video and share later.  The sharing is about being seen, nothing more.  How else can I prove that I actually did it?

I agree that there's an intrinsic sexual element but we should never assume that the sexual element is someone's primary motivation.

I'm not sure we need to be aware of the sexual element in order to be motivated by it. And I say with this while admitting one of my hang ups is seeing sexual motivation behind everything. Especially violence. I believe much of the world's aggression could be subdued by unrestrained, and reciprocated sexual expression. I'm all up on Freud's dick.

[dltq 119]

17 hours ago, Takashi96 said:

You knew what a kink was in 2nd grade? I am so confused. I'd like to inquire further but I fear we might run afoul of the rules.  

No, I knew I had a thing for it, but I didn't know how to describe it. Only during high school did I learn what a kink is.

Edited August 4, 2022 by dltq

[oliver2 3,899]

8 hours ago, Takashi96 said:

God is ever vigilant, monitoring your thoughts like a celestial North Korea.

😂 Best analogy ever

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not even decades of atheism can scrub the residual stains of the trauma entirely. 

It sometimes feels to me like lapsed catholics keep the shame/guilt, but lose belief in redemption.…. But, fundamentally, the guilt/shame is emotional, and the (dis)belief in god is more intellectual. Even if you had a sense of an emotional connection with God and you come to believe that it was a figment of your imagination, the deeper trauma remains and won’t be cured by simply removing its ontological foundations

[Takashi96 847]

1 minute ago, oliver2 said:

😂 Best analogy ever

It sometimes feels to me like lapsed catholics keep the shame/guilt, but lose belief in redemption.…. But, fundamentally, the guilt/shame is emotional, and the (dis)belief in god is more intellectual. Even if you had a sense of an emotional connection with God and you come to believe that it was a figment of your imagination, the deeper trauma remains and won’t be cured by simply removing its ontological foundations

I wish I could claim that analogy as my own. I heard Christopher Hitchens use it in a debate once, and it stuck.

 

Yes, you get it. That's why I asked if you were Catholic as a small child.