Feedback / Idea Pee vandalism on this forum - proposition

[expererg 1,185]

Hi everyone, hi admins and moderators,

Recently, some topics on this forum have brought into light an issue that has been a subject of disagreeing for years : piss vandalism. Or, to which extent peeing in places, on objects etc. of unconsenting/unaware people or public degradation is acceptable or not. 

- Some of us will have morality take the upper hand, and find it not really acceptable.

- Some of us will have their kink take the upper hand and, despite perfectly knowing that they are doing something socially and morally reprehensible, do it anyway because they decided that their own desire overcomes social and moral issues.

I'm not here to discuss about that debate, because it can't get solved. Everyone draws a line somewhere, and will have an infinity or arguments why. 

I'm somewhat worried that this forum goes towards politic correctness, despite what has been announced due to the reactions of the Catie Lee's Q&A and extreme content topics : 

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In a nutshell, there is absolutely no problem with naughty pee.  However activities which cause distress to a non-willing participant are not allowed.

Please apply the test 'is this causing serious distress to an unwilling participant?' before posting.

We are not trying to trip anyone up, we will continue to advise - but posts which don't meet the test will be removed.  Repeat deliberate offenders may find themselves receiving more than advice.

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  On 1/6/2022 at 12:10 PM, hegaard0 said:

The conclusion is that peefans.com not are a place to naughty peeing which is a huge shame. I really love Catie Lee's and others naughty stories/videos/pictures and what a pity this site has become so political correct. Hope to find the naughty and sexy material on another site. Thank you so much Catie Lee and i stand behind you😋

Did you even read the post?

Alfresco has answered perfectly already, but this has nothing to do with political correctness. Nothing has really changed - naughty peeing is very much allowed as always - we are simply clarifying our stance on the extreme illegal vandalism / distressing content that focuses on extreme harm/loss to unwilling participants.  

This applies to an incredibly minuscule amount of posts here, and your comment that peefans is not a place for naughty peeing is simply untrue. 

 

One of our most emerit members, three years ago, posted things like this for example (please read it). It didn't raised any reaction from admin or anyone : 

@spywareonya was elected best forum contributor for two consecutive years, was offered gold membership for contributing to the video gallery, and is without a doubt one of the members that most people here regret that she left.

And yet, how would admins and mods react today, to posts such as the one I mentionned just above ? I wish so much @spywareonya would be here today to add to the discussion and give her view.

As some people have already mentionned, what was accepted before, might not be so much. Admins, you might honestly believe it's not true, but please, take another look at it once more, because I believe it is slowly, tiny bit by tiny bit, but surely, sliding towards that slope. 

 

@Admin, it will always feel easier to lean towards legality and morality : it's safer, it feels right, and it avoids trouble in general. And it goes with the general tendency of society these last years with the #metoo movement and discussions about consent everywhere.

But this forum is one of the last true places where the freedom about topics about pee vandalism is allowed. All platforms are leaning towards more respect of law : Pornhub recent "purge", Onlyfans restriction of what is allowed, etc. They have a huge pressure from their financial partners, let's admit it.

Admin's proposal of opening a topic on reddit about pee vandalism can't be serious : it will get deleted quickly by Social White Knights reporting it en masse, they are far far more numerous there, than here, and feel a lot more empowered these last years, than before. There was a subject on reddit some years ago, about naughty cumming in public : it got deleted of course, and it was far less offensive. Here, on this forum, we have the chance that most people are utterly respectful of others points of view. I keep pleasantly surprised about it, year after year.

 

Here is my proposition : 

- Keep the policy about pee vandalism that was written in Catie Lee's Q&A and extreme content topics, applicable in the forum in general. People bothered by it won't risk to unvoluntarily stumble on things they are too uncomfortable with, on a topic that they were reading and not expecting it.

- Open a specific part of the forum about it, like there is "sex and porn", where people who like it can discuss about it freely without offending people who can't feel comfortable about it. And people who get offended or uncomfortable about pee vandalism simply have not to get to this specific parts of the forum.

I honestly believe this could content everyone. Maybe cast a vote about it, to see if it would reach that goal or not, for people both in favor or against pee vandalism. But please, consider it seriously, I beg you.

Edited January 12, 2022 by expererg

[gldenwetgoose 21,486]

Hi and a huge thank you for taking the time to create such a well reasoned response.  I'm going to allow @Admin the opportunity to fully review and consider, since it is Admin who owns the site and manages it.  I and the other moderators will accept any decisions and will apply site rules as we are guided.

I do want to make one point and answer one question.

Firstly the point...  Above you've quoted the response Admin gave last week to the statement by a member, where that member wrote "The conclusion is that peefans.com not are a place to naughty peeing which is a huge shame."   Now I know you've quoted Admin's response, but the way it appears on screen sort of puts the visual emphasis on that member's statement.  To be clear, Admin and the other staff are definitely not saying that naughty peeing is in any way discouraged here.

And now the question - "How would admins and mods react today, to posts such as... (Spywareonya's post 'Where would you see me pee?')".   I've just refreshed my memory on that post.  It is lengthy, at 22 pages and I've just read every page of interesting discussion including many suggestions of where and how Nancy could pee.  Now within the whole content I can see nothing which would prevent it being posted and enjoyed today.  Indeed the moderator's at the time and myself (before I joined staff) commented and obviously enjoyed the content.  Nancy herself discounted many suggestions due to the risks she saw due to CCTV and some personal beliefs (not peeing on books for example).  There is one element - talking about pissing in someone's motorbike helmet - which some may then and now consider not to their taste.  But in my opinion the key difference is Nancy maintained the emphasis on the thrill, power and eroticism of the pee and did not place the emphasis on the effect on third parties.

 

In other respects I don't have more to add so I'll thank you again for your reasoned pragmatic proposal (and I mean that genuinely) and look forward to Admin's consideration of it.

[Admin 14,788]

My recent post was in regards to a tiny number of posts that really seemed to take things to new extremes in terms of causing harm to others. I do not really see that anything has changed here, 'naughty peeing' is still allowed. To be clear, something like 'peeing on a hotel floor' is still completely fine to discuss - we are talking about a really small subset of very extreme illegal content. 

It has nothing to do with political correctness. Having an area dedicated to that really extreme illegal content would encourage the site to become a hub for it, which could bring a lot of unwanted attention on the site as you said. If that happened, I'd likely have to shut the entire site down. That's why I proposed someone setup a private group for those kind of discussions, or they could create their own website if they are happy to take on the legal risks themselves. 

But to answer your main point: I don't think much has really changed, and spywareonya would definitely still be welcome here if she wanted to return. I understand the concern from my most recent post, but I am pretty sure the policy will apply to significantly less posts than you are expecting. 

[Paulypeeps 5,287]

I think that we have to appreciate that the posts on the Catie Lee thread were getting to discuss things not related to pee which is why it was all getting out of hand. I am sure that if things remain on topic there will not be a problem.