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[niceguy1 42]

4 hours ago, Havelock said:

It's interesting you mention swim suits in your youth.  Just like I have mentioned witnessing different cultures around peeing in the US vs. EU when I was growing up, I also noticed different cultures around dressing and nudity. In the 70s ad 80s in France and Spain I remember many kids going nude at the beach or to swim. Nudity for older people also seemed accepted. Many moms even went topless. This was a stark contrast to many places in the US.

 

One more thing that I just thought of as I was reading this.  We have a home movie in our family that's probably from the late 1960s, when I was about four or five years old.  I'm on the beach together with the daughter of some good friends of my parents.  The daughter was the same age as me.  We used to go to each other's birthday parties.  The interesting thing is that the daughter is just wearing a frilly, tutu-like bathing suit bottom and nothing on top.  This was commonplace back then for young girls who were still many years away from puberty to only wear bottoms on the beach or for swimming.  It was probably thought to be unnecessary for them to wear tops if they didn't have anything to hide and looked the same as the boys at that age.  I'm not sure when that changed.  I think it lasted throughout most of the 70s and probably died out in the 80s.  I don't remember anyone back then, boy or girl, going completely nude, except for the occasional one year old.  Nowadays, no matter how young the girl is, even just two or three,  it's pretty much guaranteed that her parents will put her in either a complete two piece or a one piece. 

Havelock, from what you can remember of France and Spain in the 70s and 80s, was it just on a designated nude beach that older people and kids alike felt comfortable being nude, or did it happen on a general, non-designated nude beach as well?  On a non-nude beach, up to what age did the kids typically swim without a suit?  Was that both boys and girls, or just boys?  It was before my time, but from what I've read it seems that it was commonplace for many years in the US for boys to swim nude, either at the YMCA or at their school's pool, and even sometimes at the beach, but it was extremely rare for girls to do that.

[beachmom 1,815]

4 hours ago, niceguy1 said:

One more thing that I just thought of as I was reading this.  We have a home movie in our family that's probably from the late 1960s, when I was about four or five years old.  I'm on the beach together with the daughter of some good friends of my parents.  The daughter was the same age as me.  We used to go to each other's birthday parties.  The interesting thing is that the daughter is just wearing a frilly, tutu-like bathing suit bottom and nothing on top.  This was commonplace back then for young girls who were still many years away from puberty to only wear bottoms on the beach or for swimming.  It was probably thought to be unnecessary for them to wear tops if they didn't have anything to hide and looked the same as the boys at that age.  I'm not sure when that changed.  I think it lasted throughout most of the 70s and probably died out in the 80s.  I don't remember anyone back then, boy or girl, going completely nude, except for the occasional one year old.  Nowadays, no matter how young the girl is, even just two or three,  it's pretty much guaranteed that her parents will put her in either a complete two piece or a one piece. 

Havelock, from what you can remember of France and Spain in the 70s and 80s, was it just on a designated nude beach that older people and kids alike felt comfortable being nude, or did it happen on a general, non-designated nude beach as well?  On a non-nude beach, up to what age did the kids typically swim without a suit?  Was that both boys and girls, or just boys?  It was before my time, but from what I've read it seems that it was commonplace for many years in the US for boys to swim nude, either at the YMCA or at their school's pool, and even sometimes at the beach, but it was extremely rare for girls to do that.

I can say that for the most part when you walk down to a beach the area right in front of you is normally the most conservative where you will see many families. The further you walk up or down the beach the less clothing you will see, topless and sometimes nude for a bit until you near the next access point. There aren't really any nude beaches per say, but rather clothing optional zones between the beach access points.  As for the American YMCA's    https://www.vocativ.com/culture/fun/fairly-recently-ymca-actually-required-swimmers-nude/index.html

[Havelock 1,526]

On 1/24/2023 at 4:01 PM, niceguy1 said:

Havelock, from what you can remember of France and Spain in the 70s and 80s, was it just on a designated nude beach that older people and kids alike felt comfortable being nude, or did it happen on a general, non-designated nude beach as well?  On a non-nude beach, up to what age did the kids typically swim without a suit?  Was that both boys and girls, or just boys?  It was before my time, but from what I've read it seems that it was commonplace for many years in the US for boys to swim nude, either at the YMCA or at their school's pool, and even sometimes at the beach, but it was extremely rare for girls to do that.

These were not designated nude beaches. I don't really remember ages but I think without a suit until maybe 8 or 9 for both genders. Topless for females was all ages.  Its not quite as frequent any more but you still see this attitude in Spanish and French beaches. There was/is also a lax attitude towards changing in public that went even older. If we were going to a fancy beach club with food, drinks and service we would change in their changing rooms. Otherwise we would often change in the open on the beach or beside the car with no attempt to hide with towels etc. like you see in the US. 

[niceguy1 42]

20 hours ago, Havelock said:

These were not designated nude beaches. I don't really remember ages but I think without a suit until maybe 8 or 9 for both genders. Topless for females was all ages.  Its not quite as frequent any more but you still see this attitude in Spanish and French beaches. There was/is also a lax attitude towards changing in public that went even older. If we were going to a fancy beach club with food, drinks and service we would change in their changing rooms. Otherwise we would often change in the open on the beach or beside the car with no attempt to hide with towels etc. like you see in the US. 

I've heard about the lax attitude toward changing in public from a friend who has German cousins who were born and raised there.  He commented that on at least one occasion when visiting the beach with them there, his female cousins would change right in front of him beside the car in the parking lot.  They didn't seem to be the least bit concerned that they were exposing their breasts to their American cousin who was not used to this custom.

[niceguy1 42]

On 1/26/2023 at 12:10 AM, Havelock said:

These were not designated nude beaches. I don't really remember ages but I think without a suit until maybe 8 or 9 for both genders. Topless for females was all ages.  Its not quite as frequent any more but you still see this attitude in Spanish and French beaches. There was/is also a lax attitude towards changing in public that went even older. If we were going to a fancy beach club with food, drinks and service we would change in their changing rooms. Otherwise we would often change in the open on the beach or beside the car with no attempt to hide with towels etc. like you see in the US. 

Havelock, I have a few questions about Spain since you have spent a lot of time there.  I took a few brief trips there in the 80s and 90s but never witnessed any of the open peeing that you experienced from your time living there.  I really like the country and would like to go again sometime.  I read something on another site that was written from someone who was born and raised in China and who was comparing the open peeing culture of China to Spain.  It seems like she lived in Spain for a time in college or as a young adult.  Because it was an anonymous post like we see on this site I wasn't sure how accurate the reports were.  It sounds like her experience is recent, probably within the last ten years.  She said that it is very common and accepted for both men and women to pee openly in the street in the major cities at night.  She would talk about a group of friends leaving a bar or restaurant and the guys would just pee right in front of the girls on the sidewalk and the girls would do the same there or in a storefront window.  Supposedly the municipal government knows this and every morning has trucks that spray down the sidewalks and storefronts with water.  The Chinese woman who posted this mentioned one experience early in her time there when she was still getting used to their customs.  The group had just come out into the street and was taking their positions to pee.  She went over to a patch of grass like they would in China, but one of the other girls called out to her and said there's no need to go all the way over there, asking her to come alongside her to pee together in front of the closed storefront.  From your experience, Havelock, does this sound like the current day custom of Spain?  That this type of thing is commonplace and there would be no fear of legal repercussions?

[Havelock 1,526]

3 hours ago, niceguy1 said:

Havelock, I have a few questions about Spain since you have spent a lot of time there.  I took a few brief trips there in the 80s and 90s but never witnessed any of the open peeing that you experienced from your time living there.  I really like the country and would like to go again sometime.  I read something on another site that was written from someone who was born and raised in China and who was comparing the open peeing culture of China to Spain.  It seems like she lived in Spain for a time in college or as a young adult.  Because it was an anonymous post like we see on this site I wasn't sure how accurate the reports were.  It sounds like her experience is recent, probably within the last ten years.  She said that it is very common and accepted for both men and women to pee openly in the street in the major cities at night.  She would talk about a group of friends leaving a bar or restaurant and the guys would just pee right in front of the girls on the sidewalk and the girls would do the same there or in a storefront window.  Supposedly the municipal government knows this and every morning has trucks that spray down the sidewalks and storefronts with water.  The Chinese woman who posted this mentioned one experience early in her time there when she was still getting used to their customs.  The group had just come out into the street and was taking their positions to pee.  She went over to a patch of grass like they would in China, but one of the other girls called out to her and said there's no need to go all the way over there, asking her to come alongside her to pee together in front of the closed storefront.  From your experience, Havelock, does this sound like the current day custom of Spain?  That this type of thing is commonplace and there would be no fear of legal repercussions?

 I don't spend nearly as much time in Spain now as I did growing up but what you described sounds totally plausible. I have personally witnessed public peeing like this around hot spots within the last decade. It is also interesting that Spaniards often don't mind peeing on hard/built surfaces like the storefronts or entry ways you mention. Given what I experienced with nannies encouraging me to pee in places like that, I guess it just continues into adulthood. Some of the Spanish public peeing videos also show this brazen peeing. 

I believe the culture still supports peeing in public in upbringing today. My cousins in Spain seem to be taking the same approach with the next generation as we experienced growing up.  Thus it's natural that would make people comfortable peeing in all these public places when they get older.

The Spanish governments does seem to wash the streets quite often. It's hard to say if this is cause or effect. Do people pee freely in the street because they know it will be washed? Or do they wash the streets because so many people pee in them?

[Johnboy777 3,888]

1 hour ago, Havelock said:

"She said that it is very common and accepted for both men and women to pee openly in the street in the major cities at night.  She would talk about a group of friends leaving a bar or restaurant and the guys would just pee right in front of the girls on the sidewalk and the girls would do the same there or in a storefront window.  Supposedly the municipal government knows this and every morning has trucks that spray down the sidewalks and storefronts with water.  The Chinese woman who posted this mentioned one experience early in her time there when she was still getting used to their customs."

If that is the current custom there, and not something in the past, I  think a trip to Spain is now on  my bucket list for the near future. The idea of just walking out of a bar at night, and just peeing on the sidewalk or street, and the girls doing likewise, instead of looking for an alley to duck into to piss, I am all for it. 

 

 

[PissDude 479]

Interesting . I was born in Spain (my dad was US military at the time so I had dual citizenship) but never thought of Spain since) . 

 

[niceguy1 42]

On 1/24/2023 at 9:36 PM, beachmom said:

I can say that for the most part when you walk down to a beach the area right in front of you is normally the most conservative where you will see many families. The further you walk up or down the beach the less clothing you will see, topless and sometimes nude for a bit until you near the next access point. There aren't really any nude beaches per say, but rather clothing optional zones between the beach access points.  As for the American YMCA's    https://www.vocativ.com/culture/fun/fairly-recently-ymca-actually-required-swimmers-nude/index.html

Beachmom, were these beaches that you're referring to in Romania and Eastern Europe, or does this description apply generally to beaches throughout Europe?  That's interesting that even on beaches that are not designated as nude there are clothing optional areas where it is accepted.  I'm sure that would not go over too well at non-nude beaches in the US.  And yes, I've only read about the male nude swimming at the YMCA and swim meets at schools since it ended right before my childhood, but it does seem to be well-documented even though our modern-day American mind seems to have a hard time accepting that it could ever happen.  Unfortunately, the generation that experienced it first-hand is getting to be quite old so the opportunity to ask questions to them directly is quickly fading away.

[niceguy1 42]

On 1/28/2023 at 4:32 PM, Havelock said:

 I don't spend nearly as much time in Spain now as I did growing up but what you described sounds totally plausible. I have personally witnessed public peeing like this around hot spots within the last decade. It is also interesting that Spaniards often don't mind peeing on hard/built surfaces like the storefronts or entry ways you mention. Given what I experienced with nannies encouraging me to pee in places like that, I guess it just continues into adulthood. Some of the Spanish public peeing videos also show this brazen peeing. 

I believe the culture still supports peeing in public in upbringing today. My cousins in Spain seem to be taking the same approach with the next generation as we experienced growing up.  Thus it's natural that would make people comfortable peeing in all these public places when they get older.

The Spanish governments does seem to wash the streets quite often. It's hard to say if this is cause or effect. Do people pee freely in the street because they know it will be washed? Or do they wash the streets because so many people pee in them?

Thanks for the response Havelock.  As I mentioned before, I've only visited Spain for brief periods in the past but I really like it there and it wouldn't be a bad place to retire.  My first couple trips were in high school in the early 1980s.  Since there was no internet then I had no way of knowing that peeing in public was widely accepted there.  I was aware that women sometimes went topless on the beaches since Johnny Carson mentioned it on the Tonight Show, but that was about it.  I never noticed any public peeing while I was there then, but I wasn't really looking for it either since I was not expecting it.  I remember being in the Parque del Retiro in Madrid on a Saturday in the spring.  We walked all through the park and went in the paddle boats on the lake but I never saw anyone of any age peeing.  On my second trip we were staying in Malaga and our young Spanish guide took all of us to the Why Not? discoteque in Torremolinos without the teacher/chaperones.  A lot of the kids took the opportunity to get pretty drunk (legally) and were staggering back to the hotel but I didn't notice them or any of the other people around peeing on the way.  They must have used the bathroom in the club before we left.  I do remember the next morning some of the girls mentioning that one of the other girls had passed out in the room and peed her pants, but I didn't witness this.  As an aside, we stayed at the Hotel Alfa in Malaga that was a short walk to the beach.  Since I had heard from television that women went topless on the beach in Europe I had some anticipation that I might get to witness this first hand.  But I was disappointed that there was no one at all on the beach.  At that point I didn't realize that the main beach season is in July and August, and although it didn't seem that cold to me that day, apparently no one there felt like swimming or sunbathing in April lol! 

There was another experience on another trip in the early 1990s that I was hoping you could help me interpret, Havelock.  I think it was in Algeciras at the train station when we were planning to take the ferry to Tangier in Morocco.  I was travelling with my sister and her female friends so I walked alone into the men's room to pee.  It was empty except for one young guy, about 16 or 17 years old, who was standing in front of the row of urinals facing out toward me as I walked in.  He wasn't peeing and it looked like he had been standing there for a while.  He didn't make any attempt to move or do anything, he just stood there, probably two feet in front of the urinals.  He made eye contact with me like he wanted to have some kind of interaction with me but didn't say anything..  I was older than him, in my late 20s at the time.  I got a weird, creepy feeling from him but I didn't know if this was due to cultural differences or just my own insecurities.  Ideas started running through my head, like maybe he was a sex worker looking for a client, or maybe a pickpocket/thief.  I thought that maybe it was just curiosity because I looked like a foreigner.  He seemed to be clean and fairly neat so I don't think he was homeless.  But if he wanted to beg for food or money, doing it inside the men's room probably was not the best business strategy.  In any event, I had to make a quick decision and decide if this kid was a threat or not.  I got the feeling that if I walked up to the urinal and unzipped that he would stare at me while I peed.  My modern day self would have probably just pushed through it and ignored him whether he watched or not.  But back then I wasn't that comfortable using urinals under the best of circumstances so I retreated to the stall, which was one of those hole in the ground squat toilets but at least it was behind a closed door.  I don't remember if he was still there when I got out of the stall but he may have been.  It seemed like he had been loitering there for a long time.  What do you think it was Havelock?  Is there anything in your knowledge of the culture of Spain that could explain this as normal behavior or was he doing something shady?  I'm pretty sure there was no one else in there at the time, but if he was waiting for someone to finish in the stalls, at least in the US we would wait either in front of the stalls or by the sinks, not directly in front of the urinals facing out toward the guys approaching them. 

[Havelock 1,526]

On 1/31/2023 at 10:45 AM, niceguy1 said:

 

niceguy1 I have no cultural explanation for what you saw. Very strange. 

I'm not sure why you did not see anything in Madrid. In Malaga there may have been more foreign tourists than locals. As you mentioned, it was also not the season for being on the coast. 

[beachmom 1,815]

On 1/31/2023 at 11:40 AM, niceguy1 said:

Beachmom, were these beaches that you're referring to in Romania and Eastern Europe, or does this description apply generally to beaches throughout Europe?  That's interesting that even on beaches that are not designated as nude there are clothing optional areas where it is accepted.  I'm sure that would not go over too well at non-nude beaches in the US.  And yes, I've only read about the male nude swimming at the YMCA and swim meets at schools since it ended right before my childhood, but it does seem to be well-documented even though our modern-day American mind seems to have a hard time accepting that it could ever happen.  Unfortunately, the generation that experienced it first-hand is getting to be quite old so the opportunity to ask questions to them directly is quickly fading away.

Nudity isn't something that outrages Europeans, some are just more relaxed about it than others. It's just considered polite to leave the area right in front of access points to families and those more modest. If you walk a few hundred meters in either way it's thought that you have made an effort not to offend anyone.

I think unfortunately most modern day Americans don't read or study much about the past, the culture, the norms, it's all about what they're being told at the moment. Such a shame as our past was more free. Kids today, not knowing about the past, simply assume that older folks would certainly object to nudity or public peeing, when the opposite is actually true, many older people see it as common.

[niceguy1 42]

17 hours ago, beachmom said:

Nudity isn't something that outrages Europeans, some are just more relaxed about it than others. It's just considered polite to leave the area right in front of access points to families and those more modest. If you walk a few hundred meters in either way it's thought that you have made an effort not to offend anyone.

I think unfortunately most modern day Americans don't read or study much about the past, the culture, the norms, it's all about what they're being told at the moment. Such a shame as our past was more free. Kids today, not knowing about the past, simply assume that older folks would certainly object to nudity or public peeing, when the opposite is actually true, many older people see it as common.

I had forgotten that I posted this, it's been several months, but thank you for responding to it.  That's interesting that some Europeans are less comfortable with nudity than others, even if the nudity is that of other people, and that those who practice it still need to be concerned about the sensibilities of others who might be offended in a similar way as they would in the US. 

I agree with you that it is a shame that we are not as free as we were in the past, even in the US.  I definitely regret now that I was so excessively modest when I was growing up.  It made things a lot more difficult than they needed to be.  If I had known then that this was a moment in history that would not last forever, maybe I would have acted differently and taken advantage of the opportunities that were available then.

As a side note, my father (who's in his eighties) just reconnected with my fourth grade teacher (who was obviously a young man at the time) a few days ago and he still remembers me.  It got me thinking back to the bathroom situation at that elementary school.  From kindergarten through second grade it had a single-person lockable either gender bathroom right in the classroom.  It probably would have been better for me if it had had a multi-user room with urinals or a trough starting in kindergarten to get me used to it from the beginning, but since it didn't I was allowed to maintain the modesty I brought from home to the school as well.  Starting in third grade we did have a multi-user boy's room in the hallway that had two or three urinals, of course with no dividers since this was the 1970s.  Because of my modesty, I only used it on rare occasions if I had an emergency (sitting down in a stall I'm embarrassed to say).  But I'm certain that this must have been one of the first times that I was able to observe other boys peeing, which put the seed in my brain that I needed to learn to do this myself someday as well since it was obviously the norm for all the other boys.  I have one clear memory of watching another boy peeing at the urinal with his hands around his penis in kind of a diamond shape, pushing his clothes back but otherwise not holding his penis.  From watching him I got the idea that this was the one correct way to do it and so it became how I practiced myself at home.  It was only years later when I started to use urinals regularly that I realized there was a wide variety of hand positions that guys used, some even opting to go completely hands free!

I hope you and your family are doing well Beachmom.  I always enjoy your insights on this subject.

[litltimmy 268]

I never would have believed this to be true, that housewives and even moms would be okay with guys peeing in the yard, but I'm seeing the same myself now.  Growing up it was just never a conversation I ever had with my mom and I never really knew my dad. There have been times when I was home alone or at a friends house and did a really discreet pee someplace outside, but I'd never risk being caught or seen. Lately, the subject came up with my mom after she overheard a friend of mine kidding me for being hesitant to pee anywhere besides in a restroom. Later mom started a conversation about it with me and shared that not only my dad, but her brothers always used to pee in the yard when they were outside because it was quick and easy for them and less tracking in the house. I questioned that at our house there wouldn't be much privacy and she as well as neighbors might well see me. Mom just brushed off my concerns, saying nobody's going to care, guys do it all the time. In time I began to test the waters, stepping out at night and peeing off our deck, then early in the morning. On a couple occasions mom looked out and noticed me and eventually walked out and just casually starting chatting with me as I was peeing. I was so nervous, not only did she know what I was doing, but she was kinda watching me! Mom was so totally cool about it though as if it was perfectly normal. Just a couple days ago the older lady next door walked out as I was peeing off the deck in plain view. She certainly noticed me and kinda smiled and went about her way. Later that day she confronted me as I was walking out to the car, calling me over to the fence. I was sure she was going to scold me, but instead she was inquiring if I'd be willing to do some yard work and repair work for her. As I was actually looking to make a few extra bucks I agreed and she walked me around the yard showing me what needed to be done and where tools were. At the end of our conversation she said she'd set out some ice tea on the deck for me and said that while I was of certainly welcome to come in the house when nature called, she said she'd rather I just pee outside as I do at home. I was rather embarrassed and began to apologize for being so blatant but she interrupted me saying, oh nonsense, I raised 2 boys, along with my husband and the men always peed outside, nothing to be concerned about, I've seen it all before.  I was so surprised that all these years of being terrified of being caught, the women are actually cool with it!

[BGSB86 847]

As a mother, I definitely would rather my boys pee in the backyard than come in. It’s just more convenient and less mess for me to clean up. I mean, I also pee in the backyard sometimes! 

[litltimmy 268]

On 6/30/2024 at 4:56 PM, BGSB86 said:

As a mother, I definitely would rather my boys pee in the backyard than come in. It’s just more convenient and less mess for me to clean up. I mean, I also pee in the backyard sometimes! 

It still surprises me to hear mothers say this, have you told your boys to?  Do they?  Are you concerned about someone noticing?  Just so curious, because I almost never see it, but yet most of the women I'm around are saying this to me.