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2 hours ago, rochauthrowaway said:

Commenting on an older thread, but whatever. One of my favourite videos ever has this scene where some college-aged Spanish girl is caught peeing inside what looks like the lobby of an apartment building. You can't really see all that much but I'm sure from the way the girl is squatting that she's managing to get piss not only all over the lobby floor but also onto the walls and such. Anyways, I really love how the girl obviously considers her own privacy to be more important than going pretty much anywhere else and avoiding causing a substantial mess. Like you mentioned, the selfishness is a bit of a turn-on.

@rochauthrowawayIf you have a link to this video, I would love to see it. Yes, the selfishness is a big turn on for me. I love it when women choose to make a mess for their own needs, convenience or privacy vs. peeing somewhere more open outside which would make little mess and require no cleanup for anyone.

I can't find a photo but I remember German bathrooms in the 80s where the urinal was just a tiled wall with a slight recess and slope at the floor level so pee would run to a drain in the corner or middle. Growing up I loved these because you could pee anywhere on the wall. I remember walking into one in the alps somewhere and the tile started next to the door and ran all the way across the wall. I stood right next to the door seeing how close I could direct my stream to the door. Right above me was a light switch on the tiled wall with no clear border between the tiles below. Naturally I decided to push the boundaries and see if I could get my stream up the tiles to the light switch plate. I mean, where does the urinal end and the wall begin in a bathroom like that?

On 4/8/2022 at 3:21 PM, Mahonon said:

Great memories well told, thanks

Did the nannies also pee outside?

I don't remember the nannies ever peeing around town. A few times where we went on trips into nature (beach, mountains etc.) for a day and they would pee outside but it was not a big deal. I remember once we had a day at a remote beach with out clubs etc.. and one of them squatted to pee near the car before we left. 

I've recounted in another thread that I do remember the teachers at forest kindergarten peeing outside. Usually they would go behind a bush, but sometimes they would join a group pee break. One time one of the female teachers thought  I needed to do more than pee and looked uncomfortable. She was concerned as an American boy that I did not know what to do in the forest. She took me and another student who also had to go to encourage me and set an example. She was a very attractive, young and friendly blonde woman. She squatted to set an example. I was facing her also in a squat and I do vividly remember her stream jetting forward and forming a frothy puddle on the dirt that pooled and started to run into riverlets across the ground. I often wonder if this was part of the origin of my interests. I could not ever imagine a teacher in the US doing something like that as a teaching moment. 

I'm fascinated by cultural differences in peeing and had similar experiences with the US vs. EU growing up. I posted this in another thread but its appropriate here also. 

I once witnessed something like this on an autobahn stop with a dutch female sports team. I had just finished going myself and was back in the car having some water, when a dutch buss parked in front of me. Then maybe 2 dozen girls in uniform get off the bus. They also seemed to be drinking. I assume celebrating post match. Paying little attention to me they squatted next to the bus on the sidewalk and grass. Some had their backs to the bus on the sidewalk, others were across from them on the grass.  The continued talking and drinking the whole time. I got out of the car to get a closer look and throw something away from a trash can near them. They could not care less. One even smiled at me as she was pulling up her pants and said something in dutch. After they were gone I looked at the tarmac next to the buss and sidewalk which was soaked. 

This could also speak to the power group think. I've multiple times witnessed one girl in a group decide to pee public and that makes the other girls feel comfortable peeing. I remember in college walking to a big outdoor party with my girlfriend's 7 friends. On the way one said she had to pee and walked a few steps off a street into a grove where we could clearly all see her to squat. As soon as she did it her other friends joined. My girlfriend looked at me, knowing my interest and communicating without words how lucky I was for the show and joined them in squatting to produce a lovely fountain while making deep eye contact with me. 

Other times I've been at big outdoor events with girls who would not normally pee in public. When they see many other girls peeing in public, their inhibition lowers and they do it also. Bay to Breakers used to be a prime example of this. 

On 3/14/2022 at 10:57 AM, Alfresco said:

I often think about ladies debating between peeing whether they should pee somewhere that is slightly more exposed, but has the least impact on others or being willing to inconvenience others slightly in the interest of gaining more privacy.  For example, in a town, a lady could decide to pee in a gutter over a drain which would have no impact on anyone, but would come with a good chance that they would be caught, or they could go in the stairwell of a multistorey car park and pee there in relative privacy but leave a puddle for others to find and if enough people do it, a residual smell.  

 

 

@Alfresco I'm also fascinated by decisions between privacy vs. soiling a public property that might inconvenience others. I've known women that go both ways. Despite what you might think from my earlier post my wife almost always opts for privacy. I can remember a time after clubbing when she peed in a garage with a slanted floor between two cars and left a large stream running under the cars that was almost unavoidable for anyone getting in the cars down the whole row. I had to step over it myself. I asked her why she did not pee in front of the car and she said, "someone might see me."  She's also had the kids pee beside the car where someone might step in the puddle instead of on the near by grass or trees in order to give them more privacy. Another time we were leaving a friends building after a party and she opted to pee in the private, enclosed garage instead of an outdoor space next to the building.

When I was younger, I dated another girl who opted for privacy over property. We went to Bay to Breakers (a big outdoor drinking parade across San Fransisco) and she found all kind of places to pee that could be considered a nuisance. She found an open apartment complex door, squatted in a small rock garden in the lobby and peed. Someone that lived there came out and bitched at her while she was flooding the rocks. She peed in the alcove of a house garage where the pee was clearly running down a slope and into their garage. She peed on the porch/doorstep of another house. She peed in a semi enclosed alcove of a very posh museum in the park.

On the other end of the spectrum, I dated a girl who had grown up very hippy. She had no issues with people seeing her naked at pool parties, hot tubbing, beach etc.. She would definitely go out of her way to pee on green spaces where it would not bother people. She would get out of hot tubs and have no problem peeing in the grass or foliage even if she could be seen. Once we stopped at an autobahn stop where the most private place would have been on the sidewalk between the car doors. I offered this location. Instead she said she was just going on the grass by the fence where she was basically visible to the whole parking lot.

I often wonder how women have come to their optimization for privacy vs. property. I think it must be a combination of upbringing and culture. For those of you that have watched the Spanish Voyeur videos, I think it's fascinating to see the Spanish girls who often have a disregard for property. I've also witnessed this in person in Spain. They do not hesitate to pee on fancy marble entryways, storefronts, places where the puddle may run under the door and places that may require someone clean up the next day. 

I've noticed much more openness to outdoor peeing in Covid times. This is interesting in a US context where people were previously much more reserved and puritan than EU or Asia unless they are partying and drunk. My wife and many of our friends have openly talked about avoiding toilets where the stagnant air could have lingering covid from previous people.

Case in point, last year we were on a group hike with families from my kid's school. Before we started we were having a pick-nick at some tables by the park bathrooms. As we were getting ready to start the hike, one of the moms said "bathroom time, everyone go pee before we hike."  Another mom voiced that the unvaccinated kids should not use the toilets and the group quickly decided everyone would go behind the toilet block. With that they called the kids back behind the building. The boys wet the wall and we helped the girls that needed help. After everyone was buttoned up, my wife said to the husbands "run along and find a bush, its potty time for the girls." We did as instructed but I did glance back to see the moms squatting in a line. I can't imagine this ever happening with this same group of posh moms pre-Covid. 

Another time we were doing a roadtrip with some other families. We stopped at a fast food restaurant and the moms agreed that it was safer to pee in the parking lot than go in the restaurant bathrooms.  I've heard multiple conversations like this over the last couple of years.

Has anyone else witnessed this shift in behavior to public peeing to avoid covid?

I mentioned in another thread, that years ago my wife (then fiancé) and I took scuba lessons to get certified for diving on our honeymoon. The first part of the lessons were taught in 4-6 hour classes in a large local pool. The instructor was a funny gay guy. When he was giving the introduction to the class we all had our gear on and we were standing in the pool. The instructor told us to drink plenty of water (we had bottles as the side of the pool) as we were doing lots of exercise and we needed to stay hydrated. He then told us if we had to pee we should just do it in the pool rather than take off our gear and hold up the class. Some of the students looked shocked. He said "no really, this is a public pool, every kid in town has already peed in it. I've already peed in it today. You can thank me for the golden shower later." My wife made eye contact with me, and a little smile knowing my interest. Every time she had to pee during the class she would not say anything but she would pull me close of grab my hand so I could feel the warmth and look down to see her yellow cloud in the water. I tried to do the same thing but she would push me in another direction giving me a silly boy look. 

Has anyone else ever had experiences like this with scuba or scuba classes?

Peeing in inappropriate places out of convenience is something I find really attractive in girls. I love that they would disregard public conventions or concerns of soiling a place to satisfy their own personal needs and desires. Their is a certain selfishness I find attractive. I’ve had multiple girlfriends that did this.

I dated a girl who was rather selfish and indulged in many things for pleasure. When we were out partying she often peed in parking lots, garages or at house parties in yards, sinks, showers etc. We were once at a house party with an amazing modern house in the Hollywood hills with an indoor terrarium of rocks and plants in the master bath. Many people were waiting for the toilet. She asked me to hold her drink walked over to the terrarium, hiked up her dress, squatted and peed a stream from here shaved crotch into the rocks. She said, to everyone waiting “What? I had to pee.”

Another girlfriend was very outdoorsy and practiced at squatting. We had arrived at a friends house for a cocktail party before they were home. She said, I have to pee and within seconds she had squatted and was hissing away steps from their front door.

My wife is not at all into pee but she is often very focused on her own comfort and convenience. In that context she has peed in some interesting places. This has mostly happened around parties when we were younger. She would often pee sitting on the side of planters, curbs or flower pots out of convenience. Sometimes she also peed in parking lots or parking garages. Even though she knew I had an interest she would not do it for me. Sometimes she would not even tell me she was doing it. She would do it purely for her own relief. She also encourages the convenience of our kids over finding toilets.

This area definitely excites me. I’ve had relationships where I have role played with girlfriends explicitly asking for permission to pee and situations where I have pushed boundaries by peeing in front of girls I was flirting with.

In terms of asking for permission. I had an ex who knew and played along with my pee fetish. She liked to take a dominant role sometimes so I would play along with that and ask her for permission to pee. This would often happen when we were out partying and she would direct me to a specific place to go as if I was a child. I remember one time we are in a big city and walking back from a bar. I said I have to pee and asked her if it was ok if I stopped to pee. We stopped walking, she paused for moment to think about it and make me wait for an answer. She then told me yes, go wet that wall, pointing to a near by wall. I went over unzipped and peed on the wall as she watched. When I finished she said “What a big pee. Did you get all your pipi out?” I replied yes, and she said “good boy” and patted me on my ass. Another time we were going from one party to another and parked in a parking garage. I had been drinking quite a lot at the previous party. When we were getting out of the car, she said to me “you’ve had quite a bit to drink, you should make a potty stop before the next party.” I acknowledged in the affirmative. She put her arm around me to guide me to the wall in front of the car, unzipped my pants, took out my penis, held it and said “go pipi.’ I obliged, wet the wall and made a sizable puddle. She asked if I was finished, put away my penis and zipped me up. She then told me “wait a minute, mommy also has to go pipi.” She hiked up her short dress, squatted and peed a large puddle onto the garage floor. She was really a good sport and actress in this capacity.

In terms of pushing boundaries with peeing permission I’ve done that carefully many times. I was early on dating a girl who really liked me, we had passionately kissed but not hooked up yet. She really liked to make out. We were at a big house party outside admiring the view. I pulled her around the wall to the side of the house and started making out. After a couple of minutes, I stopped and she looked at me and said what’s wrong. I said nothing but I’m going to pee. She looked ready to move back into the house, when I took a couple of steps in the opposite direction and started to unzip. She said, “what? Here?” I simply said, “yes” and started to pee onto a fence while keeping direct and deep eye contact with her the whole time. She laughed. I finished and went back to her and started kissing again.

Another time I was with a group of friends with fast cars driving in the hills. We had some girls in the group both driving and along for the ride. We stopped at a view point and I was talking with one girl that I had been mutually flirting with for a number of weeks. I said sorry I really have to pee. I walked a few feet away, unzipped and peed an arc off the side of the hill. She could not see my penis but the stream was clearly visible. I also continued our conversation about the cars and plans for the evening while peeing as if it was nothing. Quite the turn on that I could stand a few feet away from a hot girl and pee where I liked.