Pete2304

Personally, I'm bowing out of this thread as of now. Came here to have a laugh and meet new people not argue so that's me done with this particular discussion.

You are right re the racism. There is a difference between being pro Islamic and pro extremist terrorist based Islam. Thankfully the latter are very much a tiny minority.

Every religion has a bible of sorts that can be interpreted and twisted if people choose to do so, and naturally the radicals go down that route. 99% of rational people realise that a book written thousands of years ago has little or no relevance today.

If you ask me, we should almagamate the lot of them and bring out a new bible. The 2016 book of all faiths. A book that contains a code of conduct that we should all abide by, no matter what your religious, political or any other beliefs are. In fact, I will volunteer to write it.

This new 2016 book of all faiths won't be a long book, it will simply say this: Just try not to be an arse hole

If everyone read it and went it, we'd all be a lot better off, in every way.

But when you work with people 14 hours a day, 6 days a week, you can get a pretty good idea whether or not that person is alright or not and when they have had your back enough times and saved you from enough bollockings from the boss, you can be pretty certain that person doesn't want to murder you for not being a Muslim.

I will though, concede this much ( it is ok to see that there are two sides to an argument). I don't know where you live but can only assume, it's towards the southern part of the states and as such your interaction with Mulisms is probably limited in main, to what you see on TV.

The UK is more diverse, largely in part because being a much smaller country, it's the case for probably the majority of working people that they have visited at some stage, pretty much every major city we have and as such things are different here.

The Muslim friends I have, came as a result of me working in Oldham in the NW of England, a town that has an almost 50/50 split of Muslim and non Muslim people. As a result many of my colleagues and customers were Muslims. Some of them I couldn't stand, some of them I liked but it wasn't their religion that dictated my feelings.

You won't have ever or ever will be in that situation and I do appreciate that and it's no slight on you that you haven't.

I haven't gone out of my way to dislike all your posts on this subject or any other. You clearly are well respected and have a good standing and plenty of friends here so I didn't feel the need to try and make your profile appear in a bad light with a huge number of disliked posts but one look at mine and it would appear I've done nothing but upset people and yet if you took out all the dislikes that you've put on there, it would be a somewhat different picture.

And for goodness sake, do you really have to dislike every single post. Can we not have a conversation like grown ups without you doing that?

Cult. Exactly. Cult. You've hit the nail on the head. The extremists are part of a cult. A cult that uses the excuse of religion to justify its actions. However cult was how the Waco lot were defined and they simply aren't a representation of wider society.

I'm not attempting to change your view, truly I'm not. I'm merely trying to show you that the majority of people in the world aren't bad, regardless of their gender, religion, heritage or anything else.

How would you feel if you had been born into a Muslim family and despite the fact that you hated terrorism, we're now being told you couldn't do things or travel to places that anyone else could because of where you were born? That's not something we have any control over. All anyone can do is try and live their life in the right way.

You go out onto the street and ask 1000 people who are practicing Muslims if they believe that anyone who doesn't practice their faith should be killed and I'd be amazed if you found one who said that was how they felt.

You cannot, Egwalrus, argue that ancient texts from the Koran are an excuse to discriminate against Muslims but that ancient texts from the bible are irrelevant. Well, you can argue that, but there's just no logic behind it at all.

Egwalrus, you can't keep including all Muslims in the same bracket as the minority of extremists who are committing crimes in the name of Islam. I have said time and time again on this thread that the vast majority of Muslims despise and condemn the actions of ISIS. As I've also told you, one of my Muslim friends came out with the line of "I wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire".

Now there have been Christians both throughout history and in the not too distant past who were both radicalised and in my opinion, mentally unstable and have committed crimes in the name of Christianity but they don't represent the 99.9999 percent of Christians who just want to live a good life and look after their family.

What I'm saying is logical and you surely are able to see that?

Mine would be Baby Spice

Has to be Baby Spice. Not only has she always seemed to be more like a girl you'd want to take home to meet your parents than the rest of them, she's just....well....fit for want of a better description!

I absolutely agree with you that this is going to be a close call. For purely fiscal reasons (the country as a whole, not my own, I'm not rich enough for it to make a difference to me personally!) I'm going to be voting to stay.

However, there are some fairly compelling arguments to leave and I gave it some thought before I made my mind up, it wasn't an obvious decision.

I have wondered though, through all of this that if Cameron was campaigning to leave would Boris Johnson be in the other camp? In a small way, that partly helped make my mind up. I like Boris Johnson and as a chap with a haircut probably even crapper than his, I have to salute someone who has done so well in life with a mop on his head! However, in all seriousness, this is his shot at gaining enough credibility to be the next prime minister and I think that is possibly more of a driving force for him than his actual belief that the country would be better of, all things considered, out of the EU.

"there are many people who claim to follow a religion but do not actually do so". Which group of people are you referring to there, Catholics or Muslims?

Oh there is no official line from the Catholic Church to say that rape is acceptable. Don't believe it's in the book either. Still, you accused all Muslims of believing in a Peadophile God so was just pondering where that leaves the Catholic Church after so many allegations, and subsequent convictions of Catholic priests on child abuse charges. By your logic, the only conclusion would be that Catholics are condoning paedophilia. Must remember to add Catholic Priests to the do not admit into the UK list.

If there is (and I'm not getting into that) such a thing as an all seeing, all knowing God, do you honestly believe that God would turn round and condemn a Muslim because they picked the wrong God? Let's face it, Christianity hardly has an unblemished record when you go back through history. I would personally imagine that if such a thing as God exists, he would judge someone on how they had lived their life for good or worse before he judged them because they were born in Pakistan and not America. If you believe in the bible, you believe God created the world. Don't recall anywhere in the bible where it says and in the 8th day God created the A-Z and decreed anyone born in The Middle East shall be condemned to a life of eternal hell. America is ok though, he likes America.

And all the followers of the Catholic Church.....?

And deep down, you also know that not all Muslims are bad.

You may not have any children but you wouldn't turn down medical care in an emergency as well you know be that to save the life of yourself or someone you loved. The relevance being, that America, along with many other countries, has a fair percentage of Muslim doctors.

Problem you've got is that you're not happy with me, to the point where you would probably argue with me that day was night but you know as well as I do, you're now making ridiculous comments.

You aren't happy because I'm not American and as you have stated, you feel my comments have no relevance. However I've ended up commenting anyway and no matter what you have said on all these threads, it comes down to the fact that you would argue till the cows came home with anything I have to say that involves America.

Deep down, you know damn well guns don't save lives but you don't like me sticking my nose in so your patriotism has made you persist with a futile argument. You also know that Trump is a ridiculous character that if you were totally honest, is doing more damage than good to the Republican Party and will set them back years, as Corbyn has done here with Labour.

And if your child was in a life and death situation, you would instruct that doctor to not treat your child and sooner let them die than have a Muslim doctor save their life?

Just wonder, if you found yourself in need of emergency medical care and the doctor on hand happened to be Asian, would you demand that he declare his religious beliefs and then be security vetted accordingly before he treated you?

But the group who were in charge of what happened were self pronounced Christians albeit with a radical and unrecognised take on their religion. Remind you of anything we've seen lately? You've taken a lot of trouble and time to dislike every post and comment I've made, maybe take some time to answer a few of the many questions and points that have been brought up.

There are a minority in every demographic of society, be that Muslim, female, homosexual, Patrot fans, people with brown hair etc etc who are criminal and have no place in society.

It's so tiring to see and hear the likes of Trump wanting to ban all Muslims from entering the country. Those women would give anything to get away from that situation and thankfully many have. They risked everything to flee this backwards ideology only to either never make it to Europe or to then have people saying they are potential terrorists who should be sent back home. They have no home, their way of life has been ruined by a group of brainwashed radicals.

I've stated in another thread, Waco happened in the name of Christianity, should that cast a slur on all Christians? Of course not.

This disgusting blanket condemnation of anyone who is born in a different country, or who believes in a different God is hard to actually stomach.

I'm 31 now but four years ago I was diagnosed with cancer. I had known for a very long time that I was poorly and had buried my head in the sand so deeply that by the time I sought help, my outlook was bleak. I was in that much pain and things had gotten that bad I told my doctor I just wanted to be left alone and to be made comfortable, I'd given up. However, he sat me down and said look, things aren't great, I won't lie but you know what Peter there is a chance we can deal with this. I protested till I was blue in the face but this doctor who must have my age if not younger didn't let it go. I walked out of his office but he didn't give up, rang me at three in the morning, phoned my mum, left voicemails till eventually I agreed. Four years later, touch wood I'm ok. At no point did this Muslim man preach hate to me, explode or try and force his religious beliefs on me. He did save my life though. But I suppose it would have been better had he been deported back to his own country (despite him having been brought up three miles down the road in Stockport)

Except you're wrong. Many high profile Muslims in this country have condemned all acts of terrorism and stated that this has no place in their religion or in society as a whole. The problem we have here is the frighteningly high number of casual racists who have nothing of note to say. Empty vessels and all that....