Life,and the Universe in general.

[spywareonya 37,961]

7 hours ago, steve25805 said:

Which leads to the question, where do you stand on the death penalty, where those found guilty of terrible crimes are put to death? Do you approve?

to deserve Death means that Death is really fitting. A convicted murderer is already defeated, Death penalty is not necessary to eliminate the threat it poses, and it's just vengeance.

 

7 hours ago, steve25805 said:

I must admit that whilst grasping the logic of that, I struggle to see the death of an innocent in such positive terms, because so much potential is lost in this life, so much grief, anguish and mourning being caused in this life.

This attitude is useful, TRUTH is an overrated concept, the Gods told me so, what is really holy is what compels to you love and act in THIS live, other ones must be "only" an information in addition so to help people get a broader view, and therefore diminsh suffering and anguish

 

7 hours ago, steve25805 said:

I do very much have a "this life" perspective

Correct, let's just add this: it's useful to realize that an exceedingly  strict "this life" perspective open up to interpretations and feeling of unjustice, discomfort, and perceiving of lack-of-indemnization.

 

7 hours ago, steve25805 said:

I see the longer term picture of course, but too great a broad view could tempt us potentially  into not fully understanding the enormity of a life prematurely snuffed out for evil reasons in this life

Exact to a 100% 

You cannot even imagine how right you are, how important this thing is considered by the Gods

7 hours ago, steve25805 said:

How can anything necessary be evil?

I had the guts to ask the Gods if it's true what some christian extremists of the Dark Age believe, that we have been actually manufactured by an evil entity that created us inherently wrong, while in the cosmos violence slowly cease to exist as closer as we get to God. According to that view, what is necessary to us is evil nonetheless because we are evil, and evil entities needs evil things. As a Witch, I was trained and prepared to kill myself would the answer given had been positive.

Instead I have been told the exact opposite, and it was indeed the start of the exploration that brought me to the conclusions I wrote in this posts.

7 hours ago, steve25805 said:

This is what you are probably thinking. How can premature death not be a bad thing for the victim of it, however necessary, is my thinking.

We are talking about indemnify a soul so much that IN THE END it is a positive way: in the meanwhile it is NOT. Indemnify has nothing to do with unfinished businesses, we must DEFEND our lives to tay with those we love!!!

Then, if it goes wrong, nothing goes wasted, but it's not inherently a happy thing

7 hours ago, steve25805 said:

killing another creature in order to eat and sustain life. Sometimes it is necessary to do bad things to survive, we have evolved that way.

Bad is not what brings suffering, is what brings not-fitting and/or not indemnified suffering. Elsewhere existence would be ultimately secretly-evil-endorsing, thus evil itself. Reflect on that.

7 hours ago, steve25805 said:

I think from yours, anything necessary to survive is fitting and natural and therefore incapable of being bad.

if it can be avoided, then brute fight is bad. If it cannot be avoided, then it's destiny: fight and fucking win.

 

Edited April 14, 2018 by spywareonya

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1 hour ago, Scot_Lover said:

This is amazing, I don't know what to add, but I'll be watching this thread. 

All of us value life, doesn't matter what it is: a spider will be caught and put outside, a snake is just prodded with a broom with an occasional "Fook off out of it" thrown in. We hit a small kangaroo one night, didn't hurt it much, just knocked it aside, but the girls were devastated, cried over the poor little bugger, it's just the way we are. As for a 'God' we are on the fence, neither believe or disbelieve, but if there is 'He' is well overdue for a visit. All three of us think we'll meet E.T first, I know we are not alone in the universe, time and distance work against us out here in the "suburbs" of our galaxy.

 

 

An actual God would be a former E.T. evolved to uncountable levels, so yes, E.T. first and God later.

The Earth Gods anyway are quantistic living beings that can be reasoned with to get a broader view of cosmos.

You emotional sensitivity is not a flaw, it's a point of strenght, just avoid to have it backfiring in cases where firmness is needed, that's all

 

For more serious things I sent you a PM

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On ‎4‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 12:07 PM, spywareonya said:

to deserve Death means that Death is really fitting. A convicted murderer is already defeated, Death penalty is not necessary to eliminate the threat it poses, and it's just vengeance.

 

This attitude is useful, TRUTH is an overrated concept, the Gods told me so, what is really holy is what compels to you love and act in THIS live, other ones must be "only" an information in addition so to help people get a broader view, and therefore diminsh suffering and anguish

 

Correct, let's just add this: it's useful to realize that an exceedingly  strict "this life" perspective open up to interpretations and feeling of unjustice, discomfort, and perceiving of lack-of-indemnization.

 

Exact to a 100% 

You cannot even imagine how right you are, how important this thing is considered by the Gods

I had the guts to ask the Gods if it's true what some christian extremists of the Dark Age believe, that we have been actually manufactured by an evil entity that created us inherently wrong, while in the cosmos violence slowly cease to exist as closer as we get to God. According to that view, what is necessary to us is evil nonetheless because we are evil, and evil entities needs evil things. As a Witch, I was trained and prepared to kill myself would the answer given had been positive.

Instead I have been told the exact opposite, and it was indeed the start of the exploration that brought me to the conclusions I wrote in this posts.

We are talking about indemnify a soul so much that IN THE END it is a positive way: in the meanwhile it is NOT. Indemnify has nothing to do with unfinished businesses, we must DEFEND our lives to tay with those we love!!!

Then, if it goes wrong, nothing goes wasted, but it's not inherently a happy thing

Bad is not what brings suffering, is what brings not-fitting and/or not indemnified suffering. Elsewhere existence would be ultimately secretly-evil-endorsing, thus evil itself. Reflect on that.

if it can be avoided, then brute fight is bad. If it cannot be avoided, then it's destiny: fight and fucking win.

 

Yes, the death penalty is vengeance. I understand the motivation, though. My opposition to it seriously wavers every time I  hear of a particularly cruel and terrible crime and feel that I want the perpetrators to die. It is an ugly desire but also a natural one. The people concerned have done really evil and terrible things. But in the end I come back to this. No human justice system is infallible. If we executed people sooner or later we'd do it to an innocent soul. So my opposition to the death penalty is partly based upon a desire to protect the innocent ones.

I think I agree with you totally that the enormity of undeserved premature death in this life is not diminished by the existence of other lives. Or the knowledge that our soul lives on. That other lives help provide a state of mind perhaps for this life, without in any way diminishing the good or evil we do or suffer in this life is something I agree with totally. That is what I really mean by a "this life" perspective.

An "exceedingly strict" this life perspective denies the importance - even maybe the very existence? - of other lives in the past, and more yet to come in the future. And this would serve only to diminish the bigger picture. So whilst focussed upon this life I know it is not the beginning and the end of everything for us.

And how we were created. I never believed we were created by anything evil. In fact the mystery of our coming to be is something I admit to not having fixed ideas about. I do however believe that life began in very simple forms and slowly evolved over billions of years into what we have today. And the souls of every living thing evolved with it. I have always suspected that the universe exists as a home for life, and that life is a natural part of it and will tend to develop wherever the conditions are suitable for it. In short, the universe exists to facilitate life, which in turn exists to combine the material with the spiritual to gradually evolve higher beings. The universe is a god factory working over a time frame of countless billions of years? As for the act of creation itself, I have no idea whether it is somehow a natural spontaneous thing or whether something initiates it. It is likely in my opinion that higher beings - gods? - have been at work guiding the course of evolution within certain constraints imposed by nature. Because  life tends to evolve in response to it's physical environment too, and can suffer disastrous setbacks as a result of natural disasters, like the asteroid strike that killed the dinosaurs. But even disasters can be a force for good in the long term, because that cataclysmic event paved the way for the higher evolution of mammals, including us.

You say that truth is an overrated concept, that the gods told you so, and that love is what really matters. I guess we all to some extent choose not to reveal or discuss in detail certain aspects of ourselves, or events in our lives, or things we have done, or things that have happened to us. I went through a bad patch damaging to my soul after the premature death of my father when I was still a very young man. I was rebelling against everything, taking drugs, ignoring and wilfully breaking laws, getting involved with dodgy characters without ever being fully accepted by them because deep in my soul I was not quite like them. It was a bad time for me and there is much I never really talk a lot about. And even back into childhood I sometimes did bad things or thought in wrong ways. But I have always felt compassion for others, even during my darkest times. I have always loved others - albeit at some degree of emotional distance. I am at heart a loner, don't socialise much and very rarely let anyone get so close to me that I am vulnerable to being too badly hurt by them. Yet I still have a deep well of compassion for them. If I see anyone in emotional distress I feel a compulsion to want to rush to their aid. I am not heartless. I cannot walk on by. Truth matters, but sometimes it can be cruel. Lies can sometimes be the kindest thing - what we call "white lies" - when the truth would hurt for no useful purpose. When a lady tries on a new dress and asks if it makes her arse look big, she is really asking for reassurance. If it really does make her arse look a little more prominent than usual, DO NOT tell her this truth. It is not what she wants to hear and it will only make her feel shit. Only if it is so bad that others will mock or criticise is it kinder to tell her so she can do something about it. Sometimes when deciding between truth or lie we need to be motivated by love and compassion - which matters more - when we respond. Because sometimes truth can be hurtful. And where that is not necessary for the good of the individual but will only cause unnecessary upset, the lie is the kinder, more loving thing to do. But we should not go through life lying about everything. There should always be an inner morality based upon what is good for the souls of oneself and others, guiding when we choose truth or otherwise. It is important that the motivations are based on compassion and love and not such base things as greed or selfishness. Telling the truth should be our default setting, but it is not always the right thing to do in all circumstances. Truth as a concept does matter though. Without it, humanity would be in trouble.

 

[spywareonya 37,961]

@steve25805 I avoid quoting your posts since it's almost holy. What you wrote is magnificent. I endorse at least the 99% of what you wrote, maybe 100%, I really have nothing to add to it. We could now shift to other unfinished under-the-Surface problems, because the broad picture is already established

a great kiss, now I'm gonna read your reply in Lessons in Magick #2