twelve women in Dalianshan factory (a chinese peeing story)

[kitty and mimi 124]

This Story  came from a Chinese novel, which called "things in wild village" written by Duan Yu. I translated this story from Chinese to English. most of the translation are paraphrase rather than literal translation. this story including  scenario of eleven Chinese women desperate   squat side by side while peeing. it discuss how women of different personality and relationship status relate to each other inside bathroom. it mention how women support and protect each other  in group, in a less safe bathroom environment. it especially mention how women with more dominant personality trait can make decision and making other women feel safer to pee when there was lack of safe bathroom facility.

this story also including platonic relation between brothers and sisters in law, and  describe how public bathroom environment reflect the relationship between men and women. at the end of the story, it mention Chinese  cultural preference/admiration/idiom for forward streams.

the people appear in this story include five female characters who's named Xifeng, Yuzhu, Fang Fang, Xiaoyan and Taidi. it also include seven other unnamed women. two male characters include Zhang Jianguo and Zhang Dashuan. the story happened in Daliangshan factory. Dalianshang factory was found by a group of male members of a family, and their wives and sisters in law.

    most women in the factory were very frivolous. Even while they were working, the married women would flirt with their brothers in law, and made a lot of childish jokes. Among other women in the factory, Tadi was very shy and exceptionally quiet, unlike other women in the factory. When other women flirted with men, Taidi just keep quiet and keep doing her work.whenever Tadi was approached by men, she just smile, remain silence, and her face turn red. this might be the reason why Taidi was still single and still a virgin at that time. on the other hand, Xifeng was a dominant woman in this story. she was confident and self assured. she was not afraid of making her wants or wish known. she could make decision for herself and other women. she could take care of herself and other women in the factory.this story is around Xifeng and Zhang Jianguo(Zhang Jianguo is Xifeng's brother in law and Xiaoyan's husband ). Xifeng and Zhang Jianguo might be attracted to each other, but in front of other people, they often argue with each other.

     The story happened in the first day of the factory open. during the lunch time after working for several hours, both men and women were very tired. They took a lunch break. At that time,Xifeng suddenly wanted go to pee.   she asked Yuzhu: "Yuzhu, I'm going to urinate, do you want to urinate?" Yuzhu said, "yes, I want to pee."  

  "Fangfang, Xiaoyan, how about you ?” Xifeng asked again. The two women said: "I'm going too, let's pee together."
The four women took the lead, eight other women follow them because they had hold their bladder for entire morning, but most of them did not dare to take the lead, although bathroom in the factory were separate women from men, both men and women's bathroom were under construction.  there were still men working inside the women's room. most women felt embarrassing. Xifeng was the first women who dare to take the lead, but only three women follow her at the beginning. and then, eight more women follow them. The women look around and found out that entire factory was occupied by men, including women' room. among the four women who took the lead,neither xiaoyan, yuzhu nor fang fang could find any safe place for them nor other women to pee. Xifeng was the first and only woman who discover that there is ally at the back of the factory, that allow her and her other female followers pee safely. but when the women arrive the alley, unfortunately, Zhang Jianguo was leading few other men cleaning the ground.

  Xifeng  didn't care about anything, went up and grabbed Zhang Jianguo by the collar, and said, "Jianguo, get out! "
  Zhang Jianguo asked, "Why?"
  Xifeng said, "I want to pee. not only me, but also your wife Xiaoyan, the wife of your younger brother  Fangfang, we all have to pee."
  Zhang Jianguo said: "Then you pee, it is not my business."
  Xifeng said: "Nonsense, we  peed together, and once we pull our pants down, wouldn’t it be taken advantage of by you ?”
 Zhang Jianguo said, “How much do you think your thing is worth? Who hasn’t seen it before?”

Xifeng  glared and said, “ Do you want to go? If you don’t, I’ll yell at you.”

Jianguo giggled, and said to a few buddies: “Women are about to pee, brothers, avoid it... ..."

Hearing this, several young people laughed and laughed, carrying the shovel and pushing the cart away. Make room for women.

a dozen women were all   desperate. When they saw the man leaving, they rushed in a group.

Xifeng peed first. after she finish peeing, she guard the other eleven women to prevent men from peeking.

yuzhu asked Xifeng:"is it safe?"

Xifeng waved her hand, like commanding soldiers, said "it is safe, get ready....goǃ"

once Xifang said "goǃ". all eleven women  Immediately pull their pants down, squat down next to each other and pee at the same time. because they had hold for entire morning. their stream came out as strong as the yellow bursts its bank.

  Not far away, Zhang Jianguo covered his mouth and could not stop laughing. He really wanted to see how spectacular a scene would be if a dozen women in Daliangshan factory relieved their bladder together.

after relieving, the women felt relax and satisfied.

  Zhang Jianguo asked Xifeng: "Did you finish peeing?"

Xifeng said:"yes"

  Jianguo asked: "did you enjoy your peeing?"

  Xifeng said: "mind your business!"

  Jianguo asked:"Who peed the most?"

  Xifeng said: " Your wife, Xiaoyan peed the most."

A dozen women relieved themselves together. Not only the men on the construction site knew that, Zhang Dashuan(uncle of Zhang jianguo ) also knew it.

Dashuan had pee fetish.after a while, he pretended to relieve himself and walked into the back of the factory building. but he did not want to pee. all he wanted was look at the puddle of women pee.

Zhang Jianguo felt he need to pee too. he came to the back of the factory and saw his uncle Zhang Dashan looking at the puddle. He felt very strange.

  "Uncle Dashuan, what are you looking at?" Zhang Jianguo asked.

Zhang Dashuan said:"I check the water left by the women.there is a mystery here."

  Zhang Jianguo hurriedly asked: "What's the mystery?"
Zhang Dashuan said:"through the puddle, I can see how many virgins, and how many non virgins here."

Zhang Jianguo  asked, "So amazing? Uncle Dashuan, how many virgins? how many non virgins?"

  Zhang Dashuan said "Three virgins, nine non virgins."

Zhang Jianguo ask:"How do you know?"

Zhang Dashuan said:"virgins have forward stream, while non virgins have downward stream. those three that shot far in straight line were virgins."

Zhang Jianguo said:"it is amazing."

 

Edited June 23, 2023 by kitty and mimi

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@Havelock

[colette888 6,967]

Remarkable tale, apparently banal and simple, but, in truth, full of inner meanings and implications... 

[Havelock 1,526]

@kitty and mimi Wow. We have previously talked of the Chinese associations and preferences for forward streams. It's interesting to see written evidence of this in a Chinese novel. Thank you for the contribution. Where did you find a copy of the novel? How did you find it?

[kitty and mimi 124]

On 6/20/2023 at 4:54 PM, Havelock said:

We have previously talked of the Chinese associations and preferences for forward streams. It's interesting to see written evidence of this in a Chinese novel. Thank you for the contribution. Where did you find a copy of the novel? How did you find it?

This is came from a internet novel in China. The author's name, Duan Yu is probably a fake name,not a real name. (the term "Duan Yu" means quench of desire, in Chinese language) since this is not a famous author outside of internet circle, I don't think there is any hard copy of such novel.

honestly, I don't really interested in reading novels, and I hardly even read any. I only use google search engine and use the Chinese idiom as keyword to found such novels. there are people in several Chinese internet forums who discuss about the idiom about forward stream, almost all of their   knowledge about the existence of such idiom is came from novels. I know at least two more novels that mention such idiom about forward stream. all of them were written by different authors.

On 6/20/2023 at 7:51 AM, colette888 said:

in truth, full of inner meanings and implications... 

I am interested in how other people understand the inner meanings of this story.

for me, this story really tell a lot about the social norm inside ladies room in China.

in some places, the stalls inside women's room don't have door. they only have partitions. women go to bathroom together in order to guard each other, to make sure that they are not seeing by other female strangers while they are peeing. in such situation, when,two women go to bathroom together,the first woman squat and pee inside the stall, the second woman stand in front of the stall to guard the first woman, wait until the first woman finish peeing. after the first woman finish peeing, the second woman begin to squat and pee in the stall. the first woman stand in front of the stall and guard the second woman. in such cultural environment, when women go to bathroom while go outside with same sex friends, the more dominant woman in the group would generally propose to pee first, other women who feel urge to pee will follow her. if no other women feel urge to pee, she may need to go to bathroom alone. since she is more confident about her body, she will not be shy to squat to pee in front of other women. on the other hand, other women who are more quiet and shy will wait until the other women to propose to pee first,so the other women will function as door of the stall. inside the open bathroom, the more dominant women would generally pee first and other women pee second. they pee first in order to show other women how safe to pee in open bathroom, and then, they will guard other women who feel shy to pee in open bathroom. Just like Xifang, the first woman who propose to pee, while other women were already desperate. she found the safe place for her and other women to pee. she peed first to show other women that it was safe to pee, and then she guard other women while they peed.

in such environment, when two women go to bathroom together, a dominant woman go to bathroom with a non dominant woman, just like a couple when they go inside the bathroom. non dominant women will feel safer and less embarrassing to go out with dominant women. dominant women would like to be followed by other women, so they would be look more sociable. people generally attracted to the opposite, just like feminine women are attracted to masculine men, but inside public bathroom in a gender segregation environment,women's bathroom became a new dimension of attraction to the opposite which is a shadow world that reflect the relationship between men and women in a society. in such single sex community, feminine women would be attracted to the masculinity and dominant natures of other women, which make them feel safer and being protected. on the other hand, more dominant women would be attracted to the feminine nature of other women, which make them feel like being in charge, being the leader rather than follower, and look like more sociable. women peeing together while making conversation(rather they squat next to each other in open squat toilet with no partition, no door, or seeing each other face to face, in toilet stall with partition without door, or sit next stall of each other in standard western toilet stall, talk to each other while peeing) is a non sexual way to show intimacy and attach to each other, just like heterosexual couple holding hand while going out.

I am not sure when was the story took place according to the author, but I guess it was probably at the beginning of twenty century, since it mention factory and separated gender bathroom which did not exist in ancient China, it could not be too long ago.

in ancient China, it was common for young and unmarried women to pee together in order to guard each other, because there was lack of proper bathroom facility, moreover,men and women did not have equal status at that time,unmarried women were even more considered to be vulnerable  group,especially when they go to bathroom alone, it was norm for unmarried women to be friends to form a safe network. (women were evolved to pee in group, while men were evolved to pee alone. even in modern time with entire different bathroom environment, people still re enact this ancient instinct.women more likely go to bathroom with same sex friends, while men generally go to bathroom alone)in such harsh situation, women who were too easy going and push over were unlikely to protect their group members, therefore, women in ancient time prefer more dominant leaders.

although communal urination was common among young and single women in ancient china, it was uncommon among married women, because that kind of protection network was mainly for unmarried women, while married women were supposed be protected by their husband or male members of their husband's family. but in modern time, in a gender segregation bathroom environment, which is unknown to the ancient, something is changed. not only single women go to bathroom together, even married women or women in relationship would go to bathroom together, in a gender segregation bathroom environment when their husband or boyfriend cannot be presented. even in such safe environment for women to pee (which no man is presented)women still re enact their ancient instinct when they go to bathroom together in order to protect each other. for married women or women in relationship, in ladies room in gender segregation environment when their boyfriend or husband cannot be presented,their relationship with other women became alternative to heterosexual attraction. they re enact their instinct to find partners with opposite characteristics. when a dominant woman and a non dominant woman go out as friends, and go to bathroom together, though both of them were  heterosexual and married or in relationship, while their boyfriend or husband could not present in a gender segregation bathroom environment, they could still experience the new dimension of attraction to the opposite.

in the story, most female characters were married or in relationship, this is more likely reflect modern ladies room situation than the ancient. but it also reflect the situation in the past, which women protected themselves from men in male dominant society. it create a environment of attraction to the opposite between women with opposite kind of personality. this kind of attraction of opposite, although common in women's room, it hardly exist in men's room, because not only men and women have entirely different organs to urinate and reproduce, they have different form of defense  mechanism. in the history of evolution, there was a tendency of female animals lived in group while male animals lived alone. almost all female animals have chance to mate, while not all male animals have chance to mate. male animals of a same species had to fight each other to dead, only the winners can have opportunity to mate. the stronger they are, the more wives they get. female animals live in group in order to protect themselves from sexual attack  from male animals to make sure that only those who are strong enough will have chance to mate, in order to avoid inferior sperm which might lead them to genetically extinct. homosexual behaviors that are less common among male animals and more common among female animals, are not for reproductive reason, but it is a way to attach to each other.  inside of modern men's room reflect the  competition between same sex in the history, which is different from the attraction to the opposite in women's room.some researchers who study male urinals in men's room in social context, suggest that men generally will prefer peeing along rather than peeing stand next to each other. men prefer keep some distance from other men while peeing on urinals. when men are close to each other while peeing on male urinals, they will feel more stress,their pee speed will be faster, their pee sound will be louder than when they pee alone. historical, it was uncommon for men to pee together in the past, before the introduce of male urinals in gender segregation communal bathroom. because the different nature between men and women's organ of urinating and reproduction, when men pee together, in the past, they would more likely to compete against each other to see who pee the furthest. a lot of modern men bring this kind of ancient defense mechanism into men's room on male urinals, therefore, men are more likely to feel stress and pee faster and louder when peeing side by side next to other men. on the other hand, it is less likely for women to compete with each other while peeing. when two women who have opposite personality that attract to each other go to bathroom together, they will generally feel more relax, and pee slower, more enjoy her time with her same sex friend or family member. there would be no peeing contest take place. on the other hand, when the women or girls who could not get along, when they happen to meet each other in bathroom (like classmate in school, or coworkers, or inmates of women prison, who cannot get along with each other, and they have to share bathroom.) they might not talk to each other inside the bathroom, but they might secretly observe each other's stream to compete against each other to see who pee furthest.(since open squat toilet is common in China,women can observe each other's stream while squat to pee, just like men stand to to on urinal in men's room).

inside a gender segregation environment(such as public bathroom, shower room, separated gender school,or even prison) women are generally easier to adapt to such environment,get along with other people of same sex, and making new friends. men on the other hand, will feel more stressful in such environment. I think a gender segregation prison environment is a good example that reflect public bathroom environment. I heard that it is common for dominant men to rape non dominant men in prisons(in mainland china, Taiwan and Hong Kong). those men who rape other men are heterosexual. they rape other men not for sex, but for power. those men who were raped by other men were usually non masculine, being feminine, and look weak. historically, men fought each other to dead, in order to win over the women. but in a place have only men without women, those dominant men would still re enact their ancient instinct. they rape the weaker men instead after they win the fight. before there was any civilization or law, raping had been considered to be a kind of sexual selection, which male animals dominate over the bodies of female animals, so they can reproduce offspring, the preserve their genes,so they will not extinct. the masculine men in general tend find feminine quality to be attractive and choose feminine women as mates. but in a gender segregation environment, there are only men without women, those dominant men might find another way to release their need. they find other men who are less masculine and have more feminine quality as a place to relieve their need. on the other hand, in a place that only have women, without men, feminine women will find other way to release their need. they tend to be attracted to masculine quality of other women, which make the dominant women better companions for the feminine women.

unlike the women with opposite personality, who mutually attached to each other, the men with different personality would be dominant over one another. even in gender segregation environment in modern prison or bathroom, both men and women still re enact their mating strategy that was evolved long time ago. men still have instinct to fight other men in order to win over women. women still have instinct to attach to a group identity to protect themselves and each other from unwanted sex from men, and finding partners who have opposite attraction. feminine women would attracted to more dominant women because they can get protection, but on the other hand, non dominant men would try to avoid dominant men in order to avoid  being dominated over. this can be seen on men's urinal in men's room. men who are more confident and dominant are less likely fear being approached or approach other men on urinals, on the other hand, non dominant men who are less confident will try to keep distance from other men. they will feel more anxiety when they are approached by other men on urinals.this may be the reason why a lot of men perceive men's room as a more dangerous place, while women perceive women's room as a safe place. inside the bathroom, men consider each other as competitor while women consider each other as companion. men generally prefer empty and quiet bathroom. when two men are peeing on urinals in a same bathroom, they may feel more stress and pee louder than when they were alone. this may be even more real when they stand closer to each other. to compete to see who pee louder is a mentality of dominant over another. on the other hand, some women prefer loud and crowded bathroom,because they don't want other people heard that their pee sound were too low or too quiet. when they were in empty and quiet bathroom, their peeing sound volume will be more obvious. they would choose to go to bathroom with same sex friends peeing at the same time, so their pee sound can cover each other, and make the pee sound louder.  men generally pee slower when the men's room was empty because it lack of stress or competition with other men. and they would pee louder and faster when peeing with other men. on the other hand, women will pee slower when they go to bathroom with friends because it is less stressful and feel safe to pee while talking to friends, and their pee sound would be loud enough to cover each other. A woman would pee faster or louder when she pee alone in empty and quiet women's room,because she would feel lonely and more stressful and more anxiety to pee alone, and she  subconsciously make her pee sound loud enough to communicate with other people that other people know that she is there. therefore, peeing loudly is not just release stress, it can also be a non verbal communication in subconscious level. for men in crowded men's room, it is a express of compete with other men. for women in quiet empty bathroom, it make herself known to others. the same loud peeing sound have entirely different meaning in men and women's room.

the relationship between women is different from the relationship between men inside bathroom. men in bathroom are more focus on individual identity which try to win over one other, women in bathroom are more focus on group identity which attach to each other. because men had been historically compete with each other to win over women, only the winner were allow to mate. although there is no women inside men's room, but the mentality of fight other men to win over women are already imprint in many men's subconscious. therefore, a lot of men may be  unconsciously have pee contest with other men on urinals in men's room without acknowledge it. but on the other side of the bathroom, in women's room, women are unconsciously seeking partner with quality of opposite sex, although there is no man inside women's room, but opposite attraction have deeply imprinted in a lot of women's subconscious. when they go to women's room, which obviously no men inside, they are unconsciously attracted to  same sex friends who have opposite kind of personality and go to bathroom with them.

in a place that have only women without men, women will try to attach to their own gender group and less likely to fight or try to dominate over each other. this difference from men, not only can be found in public bathroom, even the situation in women's prison is different from men's prison mentioned above.I heard a story that a heterosexual couple was wrongly accused of involve in murder crime, and both man and woman were sent to prison in a gender segregation environment. they were not allow to see each other, but they only allow to sent letters to each other. they could only see each other in court. the man feel very lonely in prison because he lived together with her girlfriend and saw each other everyday before both of them were locked up in prison. on the other hand, not long after the woman was sent to women prison, she got a new partner in women prison. she could get along with another woman who truly committed crime. this might be the attraction to the opposite personality. later, the woman's female partner was truly sentenced and send to another prison to truly serve her sentence. the woman did not even worry rather her and her boyfriend could get out of prison. she only worried that if she plea innocent in the court, she will not be able to see her female partner anymore.

in such gender segregation environment, men subconsciously fight each other in order to win over women. on the other side, feminine women subconsciously ready to accept masculine partners that they can trust and depend on.masculine women will find partners that they can protect. it look like a hell for some men, but a heaven for some women. they were in a same building, but have different experience in different side of the building.

I think the gender segregation bathroom is a little bit like a short term version of gender segregation prison situation mention above,by studying men and women in prison, we may understand more about human mating strategy and how they reflect people's relationship inside gender segregation bathroom,because both of them have men and women(including couples) in a same building,doing same thing at the same time that they have no choice to not to do that thing,but the men and women have to separate from each other,cannot meet each other, and have different experience in different side of the building. when couples go to pee in public bathroom in gender segregation environment, only men will think about their partner on the other side, while women will thinking about each other inside the same women's room. therefore, it is more stressful for men to pee on urinal in a crowded men's room. although they all knowing that their wives or girlfriends are peeing on the other side of a same bathroom at the same time with different group of people in different peeing posture, but the couples cannot see each other while peeing, the women hardly even think about the other side of the bathroom, and women have better relationship with other women in bathroom than men with each other in men's room.

 

Edited June 29, 2023 by kitty and mimi