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Hi Athargia,

I think it's good that you're railing against the people who would look down upon you for y(our) particular fetish, in this thread.  If I were to divulge something of that nature, even anonymously, I'd care what other people think because of how personal it is.  At the same time, however, I'd keep this truth at the forefront of my mind: fetishes are weird by definition. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones- any dickweed who presumes to look down on the pee fetish can just as easily be ridiculed for his own weird obsession (and if he doesn't have one, he's in the minority- guaranteed). The fact of the matter is, there's no moral high ground here. The penis likes what it likes. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional, and is probably also the type of person to sit at Dairy Queen ripping on everyone who buys unusual ice cream flavors.

If you consider it in that light, suddenly the insults lose their sting.

I'd like to respect Steve and PBL's wishes to stay on-topic with the Trump pee fetish. And on that note . . . this kinda gets me wondering how many other closet pee fans there are that, unlike me, didn't stumble upon this site by accident. If the President's a sympathizer, there have got to be a ton of others. Trump's wife surely must know all about it; I wonder if she or anyone in her close network would be open to discuss it at a much later time when the public's lost interest? Under anonymity, of course.

This post made my day. Shame on Donald Trump. Doesn't he realize that watching women pee is perverted?

Edit: Still laughing.

Since the original topic was about the preference of the front angle versus the preference of the side angle, let me ask this: Now that you know, will it make any kind of difference?  Like, since the vast majority of peeing videos has hitherto been frontal shots, do you expect we'll see any sort of change gearing more towards the side view now?

Really, I suppose we just need to ask for it when the opportunity allows for dialogue with producers . . .

Very nice story, Peeholder, and I'm glad this is just "part 1."  I especially liked that you wanted to drink afterward for the primary purpose of peeing again.  Out of curiosity, which part of peeing is your favorite: the "naughty outside" factor in proximity to guys, the sweet release, watching your gf, being watched, or something else?

So were their legs tied at the ankle? I'm trying to visualize this properly, as nobody's given a personal experience account yet.

This is precisely the reason why most artificially-generated pee scenes do nothing for me. It must be natural, sudden, impulsive, with a nervous air of "is this really okay?" I like a scene best that convinces me that I'm supposed to be averting my eyes.

That's pretty much my fantasy, assuming the squat is a forward-leaning type. Here, this may have been the place for your story:

You guys keep using the word "video," but when I opened with Windows Media Player, I only got audio. Huh.

Oh my goodness, UA, that rear shot is absolutely fantastic. I wish there were more husband and wife couples who filmed that kind of stuff, rather than the typical artificial junk we see everywhere.

Back to topic: I agree that there are far too many front views.  The side view is most definitely my preference, assuming that you still get to see the girl's goods as she pees. Reason 1: for the side view to work, it is necessary for the woman to be in a forward-leaning squat, which I like because it requires more bending. Reason 2: a natural side view necessarily requires the camera to be somewhat close and intimate to capture the vagina peeing. Front views, to me, feel entirely too much like a performance; you don't get a view like that unless the woman is ridiculously oblivious, or obviously aware. I've said it before and I'll say it again: part of the intrigue of the pee fetish is the underlying understanding that "you're not really supposed to see this."

Heh. Tallywhacker.  It's what you use to whack tallies.

My fantasy is pretty vanilla, compared to UA. However, I'd say it's just as hot in a different way because of the deep, interpersonal dynamic involved. I'm on a stroll in the woods with a girl I know (which hasn't been anyone for fifteen years), just walking and talking casually.  For practical purposes, let's consider her my wife, because she and I know each others' minds intimately.  As we're walking, she gets the urge to pee, very suddenly, and very forcibly.  She starts to do the little dance, announces her sudden emergency, and asks me if I see anyone nearby in a fast, high-pitched voice.  It turns out there's nobody in a mile radius, but she still wants to be considerate of others, so she steps off the footpath, so as not to leave a puddle of pee for anyone to potentially step in later. At first, she ducks behind a tree on instinct, but then she notices my eyes following her. She knows that I'm into watching that kind of stuff, and being away from civilization for the present gets her feeling free-spirited and naughty. With a hint of desperation still lacing her voice, she offers me a playful excuse to look, saying something to the effect of: "What? You seeing something you like? Well . . . your birthday's in a couple of weeks, huh?  I'll make you a deal: you can watch, but then I don't have to buy you a present later."  I know that she would probably have let me watch anyway since she gets a guilty thrill out of it.  Even if, in the moment, I had the wit to say "no deal," she would feign disappointment, go behind the tree, but stick her butt out so I could still see her action on full display. But of course, I can only mumble "okay," because my brain functions have dropped a few rungs. She grins a little because she likes having that sort of power-effect over me, but nature calls insistently, so she hurries to lower her pants.  She's a high squatter, probably like women in their sixties, because she wants no risk of getting her butt bitten by a spider or whatever. But because the high squat usually blocks the view from the front, she turns herself around to face away from me. "I hope I don't get any on my shoes," she frets, keeping her knees together but adjusting her feet widely apart.  This whole time, I'm watching with my senses suddenly turned up to eleven due to adrenaline.  My mind registers the crunch of leaves and grass under her feet, the rustle of her clothes, the edge of need in her voice, and of course, the sudden hiss and patter from her pee stream.  It starts out as a slow trickle, barely a downward stream. But then the dam bursts, and a second, much stronger flow shoots out with the thickness of a curtain.  She gives an exhale of relief, then leans a little further forward, reshuffling her feet for balance. The stream wavers for just a second, but then continues its deluge, going not just downwards, but slightly backwards. There's a definite hissing noise that rises above the splashing sound, and despite her best efforts, little droplets of pee splash back up on her pant legs.  She's too absorbed to care anymore though, sighing "ahh" in relief as the pressure finally dwindles. As her pussy drips for a few more seconds, she feels around in her backpack for a tissue, still in squat position. There aren't any though, so a little embarrassed, she beckons me over and asks me to give her one from my pack. I numbly hand one off, she wipes, then pulls her pants back up, happily saying "Gosh, I SO needed that!  I feel SO much better now!" You know- abusing use of exclamations and the word "so." A minute later, we're back to walking, and the discussion is something meaningless enough that you'd never guess what had just happened.

Huh. I put more thought into that than I expected. Perhaps this belongs in fictional stories, but I assume it's on-topic for this thread. It seems I fantasize a soul as well as a body in the action. It sure makes it more real to me.

There's little need to think about this.  Your government is flexing its censorship muscles in the digital age.  This isn't about taking away your porn to edify your soul, because as we all know from doing it three to five times a day, pee is probably the most natural, safe, and victimless fetish there is, except possibly the foot thing.  I'm going to be an optimist and predict that this will be a repeat of the United States Eighteenth Amendment incident, which was followed swiftly by the Twenty-first Amendment. Y'know, I can't help but wonder how it would be like, having a public world court hearing about the legality of computer porn. The UK is dragging something into the light that really should have been left in the dark, and now its Parliament must seriously consider the consequences of messing with taboo. Rest assured, the people will not stand for this.

Not to take away from the "Summer Car" example, but to take this thread in another relevant direction, I kinda wish there was a video game simulating watching girls peeing.  Like, the premise is that you're at a camp site, or a trailer park, or an outdoor concert (and so on with the levels, but you get the picture), and there are lots of women around, but no toilets.  You would have this "suspicion" indicator as the main gameplay mechanic, just like most stealth games, and the object would be to get the closest and clearest view without getting caught.  For instance, you could "walk past" a woman on a commonly-tread path, while she's squatting by it, but if you lingered by her for more than a couple seconds, your suspicion bar would rapidly increase until you got noticed.  Or for another example, there would be certain hiding spots that you could linger in safely, but if you moved too much, you would also get caught.  Getting better angles and clearer streams would award more points, while a minimal-visibility shot would yield very few points.  After getting so many points, you could unlock a free-range camera mode, which would allow exploration without the confine of a suspicion indicator bar.

I might have attempted to create such a game if I had any sort of programming skills.  I know there are already all sorts of virtual reality adult games besides this, but I have yet to encounter anything remotely resembling what I have in mind. It's well within our technological ability, and it's probably not even that hard, once the models are made. I can't be the only one here who would jump on a game like this.

I didn't talk all that much with you, Crissy, but it was always nice to come across the posts you would make.  If you're reading this now, just wanted to let you know that your presence is appreciated.

Thanks for your continued stories, CB! It's rather bittersweet to listen in to what you have to say, because I really would have liked hanging out with you. Not just because of the pee hobby either, but because of the pokemon obsession (see avatar), the love of long walks, and the natural ability to type narratives. I find it very charming, as many of us do. Please, do keep up the marvelous adventures.

Thanks for getting back to me. I hate to hijack this topic and switch it to a different conversation like this, but I only have a couple more things I want to ask. You've been great; I don't know where else I could ask such things and receive answers rather than horrified remarks and bans. Please bear with me a little longer.

Where I live, they advertise in the newspaper under "Adult Services." They also advertise on a local web site called "cracker.com.au". There are online forums where people post reviews of escorts and brothels too.

You would need someone with local knowledge to advise you how to avoid pitfalls.

You mentioned online forums where escorts are reviewed. At risk of being too specific, let's just say I live in Wheeling, WV. I did a bit of digging, and came up with this:

http://www.find-prostitutes.com/us/west-virginia-hookers/

52 in Wheeling. But if you go trying to click on any of them, you end up having to go through a sign-up. I used a throwaway account and ended up getting signed on for AdultFriendFinder, and when I tried to check into the women advertised, they didn't come up. It feels like a bait-and-switch, and I was wondering if there was a better way. Getting "someone with local knowledge" feels like nothing short of going out there at night, driving around, and happening to encounter a hooker with access to a "network" of them. That's assuming I don't get pulled over by cops or mugged at gunpoint. I know that you can't explore new avenues without some risk involved, but I want to be as smart about it as I can.

I think this topic is interesting enough to be worth reviving. I live on the east coast of America in a place far away from major cities, so I don't even know how to spot a prostitute, much less find contact information for one. It doesn't help that I'm a bloody coward. The posts from 2014 are interesting enough, but I still wonder about stuff like:

How do you access the "prostitute network" of your area?

How much would they expect to be paid just to pee in front of you?

Are you supposed to arrange a mutual location?

When do you need to watch out for jealous/protective men?

How much of your identity do you keep secret?

Do they tend to talk about anything in particular?

And that kind of stuff. It's actually more general questioning than pee-specific, but either way, those with firsthand experience are here.

A fetish, by definition, is abnormal. In a relative sense, we who contribute to this forum would consider each other normal because of a mutual empathy. We surround ourselves with like-minded people, and it feels less crazy to consider talking about peeing anywhere other than in a toilet behind a locked door with those who "get it." But the fact is, we ARE a bunch of abnormal weirdos, and it's just a matter of acknowledging it and accepting it. It's a lot easier when you're flocking with birds of a feather. That's why Kevin mentioned Sinna; she knows how to turn her fetish into a spectacle of admiration for the appropriate crowd, and she could help you do the same. Then your only concern would be avoiding making certain public spots reek of urine, for the sake of fellow civilians.

I hope you feel welcome and encouraged, Aussie. In this corner of the Internet, we enjoy what you do.

I'm a month late in answering this, but you've given me the opportunity to be an acknowledged demographic, and I gratefully accept.

Golden showers- 1

Pissing in naughty indoor locations- 2

Pissing outdoors or in public - 5

Wetting- 1

Watching someone pee- 2

Drinking someone's pee- 1

Desperation- 2

The outdoor thing wins with me by a landslide; it has a sort of conspiratorial thrill to it in which the woman knows she must uncover the only parts of her body that must always be concealed (lower half, that is), but if she is sneaky enough in finding a hiding spot, she'll get away with it. Watching her mind work is half the fun for me to begin with.

Pete, we actually do have a sort of system here where everyone posts whatever video they can dig up of whatever pee situation fits, in the video section. We don't all do it, but there's really no need; the legal content is limited, even with many searching eyes.

I am in the minority in that I prefer natural peeing.. I can do without wetting, golden showers, or drinking

I love seeing women peeing in containers, but then I get turned off when she poors it down her body or drinks it.

I quoted Luv2Watch because he speaks for me as well, in all aspects of that post. Unfortunately, people don't control their fetishes, so whatever is in demand is what gets supplied. Now, to answer the original question of this thread . . . well, most people covered it already, but:

1. When the scene features a woman who seems to REALLY need to go, but then squats and ends up taking forever to go, that annoys me. I understand the concept of being camera-shy, but if the desperation is legitimate, it shouldn't matter- the scene should begin when the subject is already on the verge of peeing her pants.

2. This is a bit off-topic, but it annoys me that pee porn vendors will charge double and sometimes triple digit prices for custom videos. Sometimes the circumstances of the custom clip justify a higher price- I get that- but I'm a man of simple tastes, who just wants a natural video. No daring public ventures, no peeing on anything weird, no fancy lighting, just a quick, two-minute amateur witnessing of what happens between the time she announces "gotta pee, brb," and "okay, back." If you're into what you're doing, it's not that taxing.

3. On this, I'm almost alone: I dislike how many videos involve a low frontal squat. Over ninety percent of all content is that same squat, while the kind I'm into (rear view) is almost exclusively webcams in public bathrooms. The high, forward-leaning squats that I happened to witness at a young age started this for me, and it seems my mind wants to recreate those experiences, but it's frustrating how rare they are.

I don't really have anything to add to this discussion; I simply want to thank you, VPW, for all the posts regarding your experiences that you've contributed. You're one of the best storytellers on this forum, and I'm grateful for you sharing.

I recently found a video claiming that (about 43 seconds in), half of the public in India doesn't use a toilet, but simply go publicly, as per cultural norm.

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The video's actual purpose ("Some Cultures are Better Than Others") is irrelevant to this discussion. The point is, people here have been putting up a bunch of threads, asking questions and sharing stories about times they got just a glimpse of public female urination. In this new light, it feels like a parallel to people looking for photos of female swimmers losing their suits in the waves, when there are nude beaches in other parts of the world. It seems like you just need to know where to look. The thing is, this ISN'T news. VPW's thread "Brazen Pee Sightings" had this figured out all along. (Excellent descriptive stories, by the way)

http://peefans.com/threads/brazen-pee-sightings.4894/

So now I wonder: if India is such a gold mine (liquid gold, that is), why isn't there more of that on sites like Eroprofile, Peeteevee, and such? I understand that most of us live in first-world countries, and since that's where the demand is, that's where the supplies are utilized- if you take my meaning. But surely by now, they've got plenty of computers and cameras in India, and more than enough subjects who would be willing participants. "What? You'll pay me to pee on the ground, which I've done all my life anyway? Holy cow, this is easy money. Indian Christmas is going to be amazing this year!" Seriously, isn't there anyone who considered taking advantage of this? It seems too simple; I've gotta be missing something obvious, here.

Ozabot's been great. I'd like to add Female Desperation to the list.

Just out of curiosity, how would the paying of the fee work? I get that you'd probably base it off the performance and time you'd spend, but who would be the third party?

I am a coward. I'm one of those people who stick to the same three or four reliable websites I've risked searching out, and never try to push further, except on rare occasions. I'm sure that there is more out there on the Internet that aligns to our liking, without having to turn to the Deep Web, but here I am, bringing it up.

Has anyone ever accessed any (liquid) gold mines on the deep web?

For the record, I absolutely am not referring to illegal stuff, like enslaved little kids peeing in Middle Eastern countries or whatever. The deep web can be an evil place, but it's also a place of total freedom and anonymity. I was just wondering if anyone had a story worth sharing. If I am invoking the Internet version of Satan here, please excuse my ignorance and remove this thread.