lugia

Yeah, yeah, I'm reviving a dead topic, but since I've seen several commercials for this website just today, I prefer to think of it as "recycling." Anyway . . .

Wetman and Kevin make a good point: I was all ready to join Peeing Cupid, but stopped when I considered their observation of- I dunno- a 10:1 male-to-female ratio? It gets me wondering if there's really such thing as a fetish site where women outnumber male users. I realize men have a greater sex drive, but I see women on their phones/Internet all the time, and I know they get urges eventually. So, like . . . what the hell? Why are the conveniences of technology being overlooked, when they could so easily get potential partners past the most awkward part of a relationship from the get-go?

You've been doing really well. But since you ask, I think a "backside" category ought to have a place alongside the others listed on this site.

I've made this suggestion before, but the last time was when the "Rear View / Backside Piss Thread" I'd started had gotten a thousand views. It's now approaching ten thousand, making it the second-highest in the Video Links section (first in amount of replies), and this suggests to me that a lot of people are into that special view. I've considered applying/contributing for access to the video gallery, but there's no "backside" prefix to specify the search. Oh, sure, I can type that into the search box, but only six videos show up when I do, and I know there's more than that. It's just an inconvenience to sift through the thousands of front-view vids present. Some may suggest that "backside" isn't a necessary category because it's uncommon enough to fall under "other," but I think that's a self-fulfilling prophecy: make it a category, and odds are there will be more videos of it. "Wetting" made its own category, but it could easily be a subset of "indoors" or "outdoors" too. Besides, there's a certain unique quality to the backside pees- they tend to be the only ones when women vary in their squats rather than just doing the typical low one.

I realize this suggestion may prompt people to ask for more subcategories in the future, such as squat height, power streams, talk-to-cameras, multiple participants, etc. That may not be a bad thing. For now, I see a backside trend, and I think it deserves a little more publicity.

This thread's been open for more than a month, Dave, but only the big sellers you mentioned responded (unless they PM'd you). What do you think it is? Shyness, a modesty wall, Internet caution? When you said you'd help newbies sell videos, I assumed you meant you'd buy their first-time products as encouragement. However, I also had an idea. What if there actually are willing ladies who just weren't sure how to get from Point A to Point B? Like, what if someone were to make a tutorial video on it?

"Want to sell some pee clips? You will need: a camera, an online video processing host, a thread for requests . . ." And then it goes through the various other considerations, such as best times to do it during one's normal routine, whether or not to have a partner filming, lighting, etc. I realize this probably wasn't what you meant for this thread, but nearly everything on the Internet has a tutorial these days, and if there's anywhere to find that kind of tutorial, it'd be here.

I also think when you use their clip cash card, you pay the $ price. At the moment, it's not that huge of a difference anymore. But just so you know, c4s is not keeping that to themselves. When a customer pays in Euro, studios also get a few more % than the 60% they get from $ purchases.

Thanks for the warning about bratty chicks, although they don't seem to post that much #pee anymore.

Funnily enough, they recently updated in that category. Well, I'm glad this is still relevant. By the way, it's Matt (the rear view guy). Good to hear from you again, Sinna, hope you're doing well!

It's not a website, but one of several studios on Clips4sale. I made the mistake of paying for a $9 video containing a minute of walking, a few seconds of peeing, a few more of posing, and a seven minute slow-mo replay just after the girl asked "how long was that?" The description, incidentally, claimed she'd drank four bottles of water. The reality was a few drops. I have no doubt that this studio will disappear and reappear under a different name when enough people wise up to their lies and don't pay, but for what it's worth, here's your warning.

Before I say anything, I want to establish that this story is from my early childhood. I've seen enough of these things written online to assume I'm not crossing a taboo line. It's not pedophilia if you were the same age or younger than the person at the time.

My experience is probably closer to the traditional sense of "naughty." Back when I was in kindergarten (or was it first grade? I can't remember), I attended a school in Botswana, Africa, since my parents had occupational travel. Recess took place in a dusty outdoor yard, where there was little traditional play equipment, and stuff like chicken coops instead. Anyway, I kinda-sorta knew this one girl, and while we weren't exactly friends, we were acquaintances. One day, we got into some kind of petty argument, and she decided she'd one-up me with shock value. Nobody was really watching us at that moment, so she spun around, pulled down her trousers, and let loose a pee stream right in front of me. She had her head turned toward me the whole time while her backside faced me, with a look that said "yeah, don't have anything clever to say now, do ya?" It was a smug, kind of "I win" expression (ironic). The pee only lasted a couple of seconds, but it was a solid stream. She got the effect she wanted; I was dumbfounded. She forgot about it almost immediately, but I spent the rest of that recess in a daze.

It's memories like this which remind me that societal norms hold little sway in the minds of those who haven't lived long enough to grasp them. Peeing in front of another kid isn't a sexual act at this point; it's a power statement: "I'm more daring than you." And in south Africa, it's almost second nature for kids to pee outside, albeit less openly for sanitation's sake.

Well, now that I've ruined a potentially good story by turning it into a philosophical reflection, I may as well shift gears. Not to hijack the topic, but I've seen that several of you guys knew where to find someone who would let you watch them pee (not necessarily in this topic, but others). It's been over twenty years since that happened to me. How do you find her? Of course, if there's a thread addressing this question, please redirect me.

I apologize for the late reply; my computer's been down for like, a week. Thanks for your feedback, guys, I was starting to wonder if this really existed.

@WFC: Good to know! I've got a concern though; I kept the link to your site, and it appears that you have descriptions, but not preview pictures. Wetman's were helpful, but damn my narrow fetish, I am picky. Backside narrows the selection, but isn't sufficient in itself (but, but, but). I've found that the situation only really works when the lady's head is at level with- or lower than- her rear. There are exceptions to this rule (I don't make the rules, I just observe them), but not much else affects me. I'll elaborate with pictures of my own: pictures that I've saved to favorites from other places.

Huh. There appears to be an outdoor theme as well. Anyway, if you have videos that look like these, I'd be happy to give you business. Thank you for looking into my case.

EDIT: Crap. They're not showing. Okay, uh, just go to this link instead.

http://www.eroprofile.com/m/photos/album/Pissing-From-Behind

I very nearly posted this in the "Website Review & Discussion Forum," but technically it's a question, not a review (moreover, the last person to post a question as his thread title there didn't get a response). Okay, so you know how piss sites are increasing in number all the time, and they've gone into specialized categories? Idrinkpiss.com's is self-explanatory, Bound2burst focuses on bondage and wetting, etc. Here's my question:

Does anyone know of a piss site that specializes in the rear view angle?

To elaborate, I'm not interested in stuff like Peehunters, where they set up webcams in bathrooms and you have a fixed angle recording unsuspecting targets. I'm talking about the "rear view pee" version of what all these other sites do: a girl is paid to perform in a specialized category. Until now, I've resorted to scouring through Clips4sale and Eroprofile and scavenging one-time occurrences. There's got to be something I'm missing. Again, I realize that many pee sites do this kind of thing now and then (Rebecca Dee, Sneakypee, etc), but only occasionally, not regularly.

Here's an example of the sort of thing I have in mind. Please share, if you've happened to find this El Dorado.

http://www.eroprofile.com/m/videos/view/outmed4

Answers on scale of 1-10

1) Peeing on a partner - 1

2) Being peed on by a partner - 1

3) Peeing in your partner's face - 1

4) Having your own face peed on - 1

5) Having your partner drink your pee from the source - 1

6) Drinking your partner's pee from the source - 1

7) Watching your partner piss all over the carpet - 1

8) Yourself pissing all over the carpet in front of your partner - 1

9) Wetting yourself while your partner watches - 1

10) Watching your partner wet him/her self - 1

11) Having your partner hold your dick/part your labia while you pee - 1

12) Being totally desperate in front of your partner - 1

13) Seeing your partner totally desperate - 8

14) Pissing in full public view - 1

15) Watching your partner or any other sexually attractive [female] person piss in full public view - 10

16) You and your partner watching pee porn together -1

I'm a lot like Fredfredburger24; my responses are very polarized and limited.

I feel I was ripped off! The amounts allowed for some of the "important" things was not enough. I think drinking someone's pee and peeing in someone's mouth should be more than $10. But then again, they are the highest paying on the list. Come on, peeing in full public view only $3.50?

If I could collect for each time I did something, I'd break the bank!

Crissy makes a good point. I'm a meager $3.50 too (on the real-life watching end- incidentally, how DID you figure these prices?), and my experiences are nothing compared to hers. I was like, ten during my last one.

It's inevitable that pee- and pretty much every other deviant from traditional sex- is going to be considered less weird and taboo. Consider all the categories listed in Clips4sale; it's a freaking encyclopedia. Peeing is more at the forefront than most of the others, however. Again, consider the popular Eroprofile; "pissing" has a category, despite not being sex. "Feet/foot fetish" (for instance) doesn't. As a side note, I'm actually somewhat troubled by this progressing trend. If opening Pandora's box meant releasing pee porn in earnest, but let out a ton of other bizarre stuff as well, I'd rather keep the box shut. Sometimes, knowing too much about humanity makes me cringe.

Oh, well. Too late now. We might as well take advantage of the trend where we can.

Okay, I'm not from Europe, but the idea of this thread was to get a gathering of like-minded people together in a particular close area. Is there a general topic that does that, or is this the only one right now? Because I'm somewhere between Pennsylvania and West Virginia, and I wouldn't mind knowing who's near me.

I live alone, so the biggest threat of anyone finding my rather meager collection would be a computer repair guy, if I got a really bad virus. But to answer what you're asking, if my mother or father were to somehow discover it, well . . . I think my dad would be secretly pleased to have undeniable proof that I'm not gay. I really have no idea about my mother. I think she'd avoid the awkward subject to the day she died, or if she did address it, there would only be practical advice. You know: "it's your life, but for the love of God, be careful about who sees your credit card information."

What kind of pee porn do you enjoy and what do you wonder about when your watching it?

wetmanjf

Anyone who knows anything about me on this site, knows that I'm into completely natural outdoor peeing from a rear view angle. Most of the time I can't get that, but I'll then see several scenarios like you mentioned earlier, where there are people everywhere, and the girl just squats and lets go in public. To add context: these are usually festivals, and it's a spot where a lot of people are peeing at once. So here's what I wonder . . . is peeing even a private act in these countries anymore? If it is, are they moving away from that? In ancient times, relieving oneself was done in seclusion because everyone wanted the human waste in a secluded part of the city anyway. But if public hygiene isn't a problem anymore, is public opinion shifting toward "screw it, it's hot"?

I don't know whether to be happy or sad about that. Sure, if I lived there I'd get to see more women peeing, but I'd also have to see more dudes. And I definitely wouldn't want the "screw modesty" attitude to roll over into public fornication- ah, I digress, I don't want to open up a new can of worms.

Wetman, I'm surprised that you wonder who enjoys their job, and who doesn't, especially with your collection. Who smiles while they're doing it? Who makes the most frequent sounds of relief? Who wiggles around a lot, and goes out of her way to make a harder stream? Maybe it's because I limit myself to the "natural outdoor" scenes, but I can tell who whistles while they work. Personally, it doesn't make a difference to me, but . . . if you like your job, good for you.

The following is an extract from my introductory post to this site.

Now, about who I am . . .

Here's the SHORT version: I'm here to see videos of women peeing outdoors because I'm too ashamed to get a girlfriend to serve that purpose. It would be demeaning to her. Nevertheless, this fetish is too deep-rooted to get rid of, so I feed it via this site. I don't care about sex, or anything else. Just natural, outdoor pissing- preferably featuring a rear view.

I'm like Sheldon Cooper with a pee fetish; I have no urges to pursue women, and I don't even masturbate. The only way I "get off" is via wet dreams, and even then, the only ones I remember immediately after waking up are strictly "outdoor pissing with a rear view." This probably lines up with your definition of "true paraphiliac," Steve, but I'm confused by your statement that we'd be unlikely to come forward about it. Once we've come this far (I.E. signing onto this site), what's really left to hide?

Around the age of 10 I would always go pee by a tree and I would rub my pussy against a branch and watched the streams. Then my dad cut down the tree after a few months.

I found that amusing. I read somewhere that urine is bad for plants, so by your wording, I imagined in my mind that months of your relentless peeing on the tree poisoned it to death. Thus, your father was forced to methodically cut it down before it rotted and took out some telephone wires in a bad windstorm. Welcome to my mind.

That's considerate of you to say, Crissy, but it introduces a whole different question about odds: how many CrissyPs, MissPisses, and Sinnas are really out there? Those of us who frequent sites like this may believe that female pee enthusiasts are more common than we first suspected, but how far does it actually go? One in fifty? One in a hundred? I don't think anybody's taking that poll. It's why we consider Admin's question about prices in the first place. I haven't been in the right place at the right time since my pre-teens, so I've turned to the anonymity of the Internet- and even then, the "right person" is vastly outnumbered by at least a 10:1 male-to-female ratio. Crissy, I'm sure that, since you joined here, you've gotten more requests than you have hairs on your head. That's how rare you are . . . at least, from my experience.

I agree with Egwalrus- it all depends on one's money situation. However, I'm still willing to put a couple numbers out there, and if you accumulate a bunch of case studies like me, you may have a bit more of a satisfactory answer. I have a very particular fantasy of doing some outdoor recreational activity with someone familiar when she excuses herself to pee ("don't watch"), and she is followed and observed from behind when she hides. Considering all the exotic stuff posted out on the Internet, I consider this a modest fantasy which shouldn't even take more than two minutes . . . buuuut on the other hand, it's all I want, and yet it's ridiculously scarce on the Internet. In other words, it's an easily-produced product, but for me, in great demand. On Clips4sale, I've paid an average of $5 for the rare times these have been available (short clips aren't expensive, relatively speaking), and I've never paid a double-digit number for one scene, no matter how enticing the preview. What does that say about me? I guess I have a sense of fair trade that takes priority over a need for an overpriced fantasy-fulfillment. I mean, assuming the cost of a real-life prostitute is about $60-120/hour, that averages to $1-2 per minute. If that price were doubled, or even quadrupled, for "meeting a particular need" (in my case, this particular fantasy), we're talking $2-8 for my two minutes. Anything beyond that is unreasonable, for these add up over time.

Now, if a girl were to walk into my backyard when nobody was around, and say "I'll pee for you if you give me twenty bucks," I won't lie; I'd probably make the transaction. But I'd feel gypped afterward, and I don't think I'd repeat it.

I think I understand you guys a little better now; thanks for taking the time to talk me through it. The "seeing her facial expression" argument was especially eye-opening. Perhaps another false assumption I made, on top of the "exceptions-to-spying" idea Egwalrus pointed out, was the "personal" thing. Considering I was looking into a thread talking about the beginnings of a pee fetish, the odds are stacked that it would be with someone one personally knows. Little kids don't exactly hang out with strangers.

Though I get where you're coming from, that still doesn't change my preference for rear view angles. I suppose such is the nature of a fetish, just as with favorite foods: you can't be logically persuaded one way or another to like what you like. To answer your concern about not seeing much from the rear, Sophie, this is why I brought up mid-level squats (involving leaning forward) as opposed to the near-ground-leaning-back thing. If any of you haven't already seen the thread I set up containing videos of these, you'll notice this squat is a common theme. http://watchgirlspeeing.com/threads/rear-view-backside-piss-thread.2711/

Incidentally, Kevin, I'm totally on board with you on liking when the "pee stream flows to the rear of the girl." When she's leaning so far forward that it goes behind her, that's my absolute favorite. And Chantelle . . . ah, you flatter me; I don't know what to say, except thanks.

Before I start, I confess that this thread's title is mostly a rhetorical question; that is, I already have an answer, although I'd like to hear others. I would also warn anyone who cares that this is going to get a bit philosophical. This topic has been stewing in my mind for years now, and here, finally, is an audience that can engage.

Consider the following (thanks for posting btw Abdulapple): http://watchgirlspeeing.com/threads/outdoors.2573/

These are pictures of women peeing outdoor. To say that one in ten of them wasn't aware that she was photographed is being generous. Incidentally, about one in ten of them was shot from a back view. You see, the reason we all gather here on this site and have forums like "Real Pee Sightings & True Stories" is that peeing is supposed to be a private act. Key words: "supposed to be." Whenever we tell about people doing it in front of us intentionally, we are citing exceptions to the world's rule. I believe that the genesis of our pee fetishes lies in the fascination of this private act. The more a girl stresses "you're not supposed to be watching me," the more potent it is.

I'm puzzled at the popularity of frontal-view peeing. To me, it feels artificial; there is usually no sense of shy modesty, no apparent concern for being seen. The girl could clearly tell you're watching if she wanted to. I don't think many of us started out on this, so why did it gain so much steam? However, the topic is called "Why the Rear View," not the other way around.

I'd like to get back to the roots of the "genesis pee fetish" by pushing for more backside pics and videos. In real life, we wouldn't get to see girls peeing by observing them indoors, but outdoors. And we usually don't see them from the front, but from the side or behind, because they're watching in front of them. "Okay, Lugia," you'll say, "anyone who feels that way can subscribe to Pee Hunters and be done with it." But there's a little more to it than that. I recently looked through Admin's thread "How long ago did you realise you were interested in pee?", and anyone who gave a backstory almost universally had people they knew as their subjects: sisters, friends, near-relatives. It's usually personal. "What does that have to do with the rear view?" you may be wondering. Simple: it's integral to the setup. Someone familiar with you will pause any outdoor activity and feel the need to excuse herself- prompting you to follow and see the forbidden act. With the total strangers in Pee Hunters, the camera's already set up, and someone just happens to walk into frame. It's not the same. Videos that depict the girl being followed first are much closer in alignment to what most of us must have done- in one form or another- at the genesis of our pee fetish. And when the girl gets behind something, the follower doesn't jump out in front of her; he observes from the back, unseen. There is, of course, the added bonus of seeing her bum in all its glory, and the pee tends to hit harder if she's doing a mid-level squat.

In reality, according to the world's rules, the girl wouldn't expect to be followed and watched. And if she did suddenly suspect she was being observed, she might stop at once, or act very embarrassed or indignant, but she wouldn't show off. It's the "first" time, after all. It should always be the "first" time with a rear view.

I realize what a creeper I must sound like right now, but I am, after all, talking to people on a site called "Watch Girls Peeing." I place my faith in your understanding. Please let me know what you think; I'm trying to start a movement here, but I'll listen to anything else you want to say on this matter. Thanks for hearing me out.

Yo. Sorry to necro a dead topic, but I figured it'd be okay since Leah's Closet still updates from time to time. I've purchased a couple of her clips, and they're pretty good, but I cannot seem to connect with her via email.

She invites and welcomes suggestions and new ideas from her fans and if she likes them she'll make a video that incorporates them - at no extra charge! You merely keep an eye out to see if your idea is acted upon, and need pay no more than the cost of that clip to view it.

Based on what you said, I guess she might have gotten my message, but I can't tell. I emailed twice in two weeks with no response, and for fear of pestering her, I've quit trying. What do you think, Steve? Should I try again? I'm cordial in my writing, but I also tend to type excessive amounts, so would it help if it were only a couple sentences?

Hello from the Pokemon side. I like your opening post, as it (hopefully) tells the story of most everyone's life who comes here. I don't care for porn myself, and I'm glad someone else thinks the same. It means both of us are a little less weird.

Hello, everybody- first of all, thank you for existing, and proving these guys wrong: http://www.datehookup.com/Thread-893826.htm

Now, about who I am . . .

Here's the SHORT version: I'm here to see videos of women peeing outdoors because I'm too ashamed to get a girlfriend to serve that purpose. It would be demeaning to her. Nevertheless, this fetish is too deep-rooted to get rid of, so I feed it via this site. I don't care about sex, or anything else. Just natural, outdoor pissing- preferably featuring a rear view.

FOR THE LONG VERSION, READ ON.

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Here's the LONG version: My family did a lot of traveling when I was a child. As a result, we've been to many places that provided no private toilets, and I've had a few experiences where I witnessed women squatting and peeing. Usually my mother or sister, since I couldn't be separated in a foreign place full of strangers. That's probably where this fetish started, and it has grown ever since.

If you're a woman reading this, and you're shaking your head in disgust, I can't say I blame you. Anything that makes me feel ashamed of myself, I consider bad, and this thing counts. If I could be rid of it, I would. But this "nature peeing" thing is here to stay, and I'm just going to have to live with it. If it makes you feel any better, I don't like any kind of spying. I'd much rather watch women who are willing to show off, while their friends hold the camcorder.

Now, if you're a man reading this, I'll bet you're a whole lot more sympathetic. I mean, you know what I'm talking about. All those times in your life when you've heard a girl announce that she needs to pee, like it's everyone's business, gets you all fired up for nothing. Because you know that you'll never get to see it; you're being denied a well-guarded experience, even though it's dangled right in front of you. And what an experience it is- the crunch of leaves against her shoes as she hurries to find a place out of sight, the unbuttoning of her pants as she's getting ready, the moment of anticipation when she squats delicately forward, her bare bottom exposed, and then the hissing noise itself, when the pee finally jets out, providing her an immense relief. During the entire time, there's such an air of secrecy about it, a careful certainty that nobody else is watching, that the experience is immensely conspiratorial and personal. My heart about beats out of my chest every time it happens, and it never gets old. Women have such power in such a simple act, because they're better natural showmen than any movie star. Perhaps that's why some of them are willing to do the "forest piss" on camera for Eroprofile members like me. They know they have the power to blow us away, and this is where they shine. I would do almost anything to see what they provide. It's a drug, man.

Guess I'd better tell a little about myself, since this is my description. In the real world, I don't have one constant obsession with outdoor pissing like I make it sound here. I'm Dr. Jeckyll, if you will- I like to run, watch Japanese anime (not Hentai), write stories with other online authors, play Pokemon, study religious scriptures, watch scary movies, cuddle with my cat, etc. I make straight A's in graduate school, discuss controversial things with friends, though never in a confrontational manner, work my job with a smile, and this pissing stuff never even crosses my mind. It's not until the weekend that this "Mr. Hyde" persona comes out, which I confess to everyone listening. You could tell me it's nothing to be ashamed of, and it will sound nice in my ears, but the feeling remains anyway. I can barely find comfort in the thought that it's a relatively "clean" fetish.

As to what Mr. Hyde likes, well, first the "do not's." I don't care to see sex, or have sex. I don't even masturbate. Yes, this must sound weird, but I have Asperger's Syndrome, and my interests are very limited. I don't like seeing another naked dude's junk, or another naked dude, period. I don't like seeing cum, blowing, drinking/eating another person's waste, infliction of pain, or any of that other stuff. If you like it, that's your business, but I'm usually speeding through the Eroprofile videos so that I don't have to see something that I won't be able to un-see later. Unfortunately, at this point I've seen everything I didn't want to see, except sex with a corpse (I wonder when that's coming). Why do I bring these up? Because I think there's enough of them coming up in the "pissing only" search already. I'm not trying to say "get rid of these, you freaks, my fetish is better than yours." Rather, I think we could use more of the natural outdoor pissing stuff.

What I like is the outdoor pissing experience, the kind that we were all denied when we went on camping trips as kids (although a few of us might have gotten lucky anyway). It has to be a woman of course, although I'd rather not see grandmothers because that would be too disrespectful. Like I said, my mind works in weird ways. Anyway, it doesn't matter if the woman acts like she's on camera or not, but I do prefer the one-to-one feeling of being alone and away from everyone else during the secret act. I'd rather she wore pants than a dress or skirt, mainly because women almost always lean forward to squat when they have pants. With the skirt, they may just lean back and hitch aside their panties, and that's no fun. I like the leaning-forward mid-level squat because I get a good look at the woman's beautiful bum, and a full view of her, ah, part. Plus, the pee stream is always straight downward, and thus, the harder impact with the ground makes more noise. As you might have guessed, I also like the rear view MUCH better than any other. You see more exposure back there than in the front, you know? Finally, if we're talking cameramen, I like an intrusive witness. I've been to Project Pee, Sneakypee, Needapee, and more recently, WDgirls. I have to say, the last one does the best job of really getting in there, not just using zoom, but actually moving close to the girl so that you feel like you're really there. Every time the girl gets ready to squat, and the cameraman quickly moves to get behind her, I'm SO grateful because I've finally found someone out there who does that! If you want to see what I mean firsthand, check my thread in the "videos" section.

I only know a couple users on Eroprofile who think the same way. Arturix comes to mind, as does Greywolff. In the meantime, if you've read this far down, and you're someone who likes recording pissing, I encourage you to consider more of that backside-view-in-nature thing. It's what any of us would have seen as kids, if the girl wasn't looking straight at us and knew we were watching. Thanks in advance for your consideration. I wouldn't come out and ask for this if I just knew a girl who was willing, myself. I know that must take years of relationship, and I'd feel like a bastard getting to know a girl, just so I could watch her pee. That would be using her. Now, if I could find someone who knows what I want, and I had something to give back that she wanted, I could work with that. It would be more of a mutual business relationship than anything, without further strings attached. The one thing I could guarantee is that I wouldn't leave her with a baby. I'm a very safe pervert- I mean, person.

Well, I guess that's it, then. I've said what I needed to say, and I hope I haven't tread on anyone's toes in the process. Thanks for your company; feel free to leave a comment.