goldenpiss

Ok. I leave site. As you state earlier in you post about business. I be sure to tell as many as possible about MyFetish be rude to customer and mod here abuse power.

Actually there was a huge dispute between two moderators, with me defending your original post. It is now time to put the issue behind us and move on. Things were, in my opinion, handled poorly, but your continuing to complain is making you look like the problem. You had a complaint and it was addressed. I was on your side, but your continued complaints are starting to change that.

None of us have a time machine to go back and change what happened. What do you want to happen now? Your point was made.

For one mod can quit remove my post and leave rude post by MyFetish. If my post remove he should be to. Fair?

Why you delete post and attempt silence. That negative. No?

Why you choose argue? Like Steve you use mod power silence.

Goldenpiss you have been told by the site Admin that enough is enough. You have made your point and your continued arguing is doing nothing but causing problems. Drop it. People come here to enjoy the site and not to listen to you rant and rave about the same issue.

Why do MyFetish get keep making comment? You friend? I make thread for my problem as instruct by moderate. You plan on call cheap and stupid to?

Are you seriously going out of your way to pick a fight with me here? Drop it. Seriously. I'd like to reiterate point 8. We're working on putting something together to make it up to all of you. Please be patient. The wait will be worth it.

The issue is resolved. The post was ambiguously worded. We get it. You're upset. We're fixing it. All you're accomplishing here is beating a dead horse.

Have moderator remove response just show I right about how you treat member. Very badly.

You forget

And even if I become very inactive here for a few days after this shit storm - mods undermining me publicly with every arse and his uncle jumping on the bandwagon is not something I should have to deal with, and I need a break from it - I will still message you tomorrow. I hope you are in no way being put off. Everything will come good in the end here, I'm sure.

Good. Without you here to attack lowly member without cause maybe I enjoy site for few days in you absence. Hopefully you vacate long and it peaceful to all member. Look forward to absence and plan enjoy during. Post more picture for those who like such.

If I may.

I would like to take a moment to say this.

Reading over some of the comments made by member's here, I can see that several of you were very leery and very worried about the integrity of Myself (the model) as well as the site.

Worried about being ripped off, being overly-charged or screwed over.

Worried that I was just doing this for the money and doing my best to "hassle you" out of your money.

And, I completely understand where you are coming from.

I myself have been camming off and on for only 2 years I have been a fetish model and photographer for the same amount of time.

I am also a buyer of fetish/porn goods as well as client of some cam sites and frequent cam sites fairly often tipping girls for services or just hanging out talking with girls whom are friends.

So yes, I have come across more then my fare share of sites who are in fact only out to make as much money as possible, 2 of which I stopped working for due to there lack of integrity in which I felt was not doing right by the customers or workers.

I can tell you I do this because I enjoy doing this. I enjoy talking with people, I enjoy meeting people and I enjoy creating friendships and can honestly say that some of my closest friendships have been made with some of my customers.

I do not see those coming into my room as "money" I see them as people. I get to know regulars, I ask about on going relationships, how there day at work has gone, if they have seen the latest episode of a certain tv show.

I also take pride in doing what I do and doing it well.

One of my biggest points of pride are the good things my clients have to say about me

and it is not how sexy I am or how great my shows are but how welcoming and kind I am.

My point in writing this is to say

I assure you that I had no intentions of "tricking" any one and I would feel very upset to think that, that was anyone's impression or idea of me.

As a cold cam girl just out to get as much money out of people as possible.

Especially since I try hard to keep my prices low and affordable for people.

Even Saturday night's show someone mentioned they wanted to see me do a certain something and happened to mention they had 35$ and would give it all to me in order to see it.

I could of easily asked him to take me into a private session that charges by the minute and given him 5 minutes worth of a show before he was booted.

I could of asked him for all 35$ knowing he had it and knowing he would of given it all to me.

But I set up a show that I made last about 20 minutes or so and only asked for 20$ because I felt it wasn't worth more then that and he was polite.

So, I sincerely hope that no ones thinks I or the site in anyway was deliberately trying to trick anyone. it was truly and honestly a misunderstanding on every ones part.

You no need apologize. I start this thread not because of you. I start because Steve attack me in other thread. He have no right insult me because disagree and handle very poor. No member rightfully deserve be subject to his attack. I disagree and he attack then censor. You play no part in this. Problem here him and no you. You do nothing wrong. Please take no offense. Original wording by site owner not clear and he explain that and accept responsible for confuse. Steve cross line that no shall cross in good behave. He problem. You not.

I never said or even insinuated that deliberate deception was involved. I believe that it was an honest error in the way the announcement was phrased, but I do not agree with the responses that blame or attack those who believed that free meant no charge for the show. If I were to make such an error in my business, rather than trying to explain it away as the fault of the potential customer, I would take responsibility and at the very least apologize profusely.

We all make errors. How those errors are corrected and handled can make the difference between a returning customer, and an angry one who not only does not return, but recommends others stay away

It has often been said that a happy customer may tell one person about their experience, an unhappy one will tell anyone who will listen

Agree. MyFetish handle very poor by blaming on customer poor original ad. Explain cost of show have no reason on original advert being deceive. He also call customer cheap and be somewhat rude. Not bad like Steve. Still in way that reflect poor on his business. Even though he not make original advert he respond in way that no encourage patronage by any who see he poor response. Any damage done his enterprise do by himself. I no responsible.

This might help clear up some confusion about my use of the term "Free Cams". I explained this in a PM to Egwalrus: The the term "free cams" is commonly used in the industry to differentiate sites where you have to pay to see the cam (with per minute billing for example), versus those where you can view the cam without having to pay first. If you look at any of big cam sites (MyFreeCams, Chaturbate, BongaCams) you will see that they also use the term "Free Cams" and work off the same public/private chat model.

Ok. I get that for some reason free cam show not normally free is usual. Why is it okay for Steve attack me and call me fucking cheap?

It is still pee, it comes from deep inside the person you are with, it doesn't smell, it doesn't burn eyes and it does not taste bad. We hydrate as much as we can for all of these reasons.

You make good point. Though I refer to ability to wash and efficacy of clean as Kevin mention it be better. I not think it improve clean.

By Free, they meant you can sign up free of charge, but anyone who goes on those sites know that you have to pay to have a special show, nothing in the world is free bud.

I do not go on those sites. This new to me and I not know gimmick. I know now Thanks.

If you don't know the cam site business model, and you were making incorrect assumptions, that's... kind of the definition of you misunderstanding. But I honestly don't buy that you don't know the business model of a cam site. It's fairly intuitive. You go into models rooms and chat with a model. If you want her to do something for you on camera, you tip her, she does it. The bigger or more elaborate thing she has to do, the more it costs. Very simple.

Furthermore, nowhere did it state that everything was free. It said that it was free to watch the cams, which was true. But there was a paid show that occurred, and you're upset because you didn't want to buy a ticket. If no one bought a ticket, the paid show wouldn't have happened. But that also means that the model probably wouldn't have wanted to be on cam anymore that evening because, again, this is what she does for a living, and she's not about to work for free.

Again you reply have nothing to do with subject and repeat same rhetoric of model being paid which I never disagree with. I care not what you buy and don't. The wording came from Admin and he has explain now. At this point you do nothing for defend and it no longer matter regards as one who make advert explain meaning. I now place you on ignore as I have state repeatedly what I found as problem and you keep saying same unrelated thing and it now be explain by he who made advert.

Judging from your posts, I'm going to assume that English isn't your first language. Do you think that, just maybe, the problem here is that you are simply misunderstanding the original post?

I not misunderstand. Admin just make post explain that this is the way cam site operate. Not everything free even though advertise as free. He assume we know business model of cam site. Not all do and that make it seem as if a tip is optional. Instead tip is used incorrectly as to mean fee and assume everybody know cam site work this way. His post clear that up.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

We are actually the busiest and most popular pee fetish forum on the internet right now.

So we must be doing something right. :biggrin:

Maybe other moderator carry and make up for you attack members?

Yet here we are a number of posts later and you are still droning on....:banghead:

I say that to MyFetish. You fail reading again. Too busy try to convince of you superior to lowly member. I hope owner see this.

Like I said, I should have been more diplomatic. But frankly, you HAVE come across here as being cheap.

You come across as be rude and not able to moderate without being ass. I see now why so many member and so few post.

You didn't state anyone else's name either, so I could only go by how it appeared. And it's tone sounded critical of those asking for the $5.

I clearly reply to Fetish. It say his name in the quote box. Since you remove I cannot prove. Good coverup?

I did not attack you. I simply stated that in my opinion to complain about paying $5 for live acts of pee fetishism looks cheap to me. If you wish to see that as a personal attack, that's your call.

And I deleted a post that looked to me like an attack on the integrity of Kimberly. And I bluntly told you that you needed to start another thread to air your grievances instead of derailing that one. When you persistently refused such a simple request and kept attempting to continue it there, with me deleting it again three or four times, I closed it temporarily to force you to do as instructed and open a new thread for it.

And that's about it.

And you are being so fucking cheap that you are complaining about that!

That clearly attack. No excuse for behavior. If act such way I be shown door. You act that way and pat self on back.

If you go to a strip club, you can sit and watch the girls on the stage for free. If a girl comes up to you, yeah, you don't have to tip her, but you kind of look like a dick if you don't. If you want a private dance, that ALWAYS costs. Just because you can sit and watch them on stage for free doesn't mean that a private dance is. I'm sorry, but your logic just isn't sound here.

Tip optional. Fee mandatory. What more need to be say? You keep make excuses for poor method of advert. Compare to private show failed logic and serve make you look bad to other potent customer that read. I no longer discuss.

Well sorry but it looked to me like the post I deleted was an unjustified attack upon Kimberley for something she never said which is why I deleted it. If I misinterpreted it I apologise.

Did I ever state her name. No. Was your attack on me justify?

You do make it very hard to be diplomatic. :laugh:

You should be diplomatic before attack. May not attack member and then cry that he not nice in return.

What it said in the original post was that Kimmie was a "featured model" and "The cams are free to watch, but the models do work off of tips so please be prepared to tip if you can." That doesn't say that the show is free. I'm sorry that you feel so betrayed by this, but you're not reading with any kind of context. If you go to MyFreeCams you can't get pissed off (no pun intended) because a model asks you to tip her or asks you to take her into a paid private chat. It's not false advertising. This is how cam sites work. This is how cam models make a living. Can I come into your job and demand that you to work for free?

Tip is optional. If you say prepare to pay fee that different and honest. Tip is not. All the extra excuse you add not part of relevant discussion. No one say you not have right to be pay for service. Just need to be up front about it. Saying tip instead of fee not honest represent.

Ok fair enough.

I accept that.

But the comment you felt that misled you was made by our own Admin. So in reality, only he can respond to your criticisms of that. Because only he can clearly state what it is he was trying to say and why.

And perhaps I should have been a little more diplomatic with you. Apologies for my failure to be so.

Perhaps? That excuse you for act in a way no members be allowed to act? Shall I be allowed to attack other member and then apologize to?