Moderator Attack Peeple and Close Thread

[goldenpiss 273]

I was attack by moderator and then not allow to respond. This wrong treatment of site member. Other moderator disagree too but not attack by Steve. I attack because I helpless lowly member and not moderator.

There was no deliberate attempt to hoodwink anybody. Most of the session was free. You could chat to her without paying a penny. Only the bits where she actually peed charged a nominal $5 as a means of preventing kids from accessing.

And you are being so fucking cheap that you are complaining about that!

If you have issues with this site, take it up privately with Admin.

I mean there are always some aren't there? This site links up with something new and great and there are always one or two who want to just moan about it.

Most of us don't want to hear it!

You out of line. Call peeple cheap for expecting not to pay for Admin call free show. How much you paid for vigorous defense hoodwink? Why you no attack other mod? Only me be attack by you.

[MyFetishLIVE 1]

If I may interject here...

I don't think that censoring members opinions here is the proper way to go about this. I would like to address some of these concerns if I can.

First thing's first, I didn't write the original post advertising the show. I'm sorry if you felt that it was misleading. However, may I ask what made you think that this would be a free show? I'd like you to think about that before you answer it, because quoting that post isn't going to cut it. Look at the post as a whole. Read with context. Do you think that cam models do this for their health or that literally thousands of women are exhibitionists and want nothing more than to invite you into their bedrooms and get naked for you? I think that's a very naive point of view if that's what you truly think. There are many cam sites that even put "free" in their names. Out of respect for those other companies, I won't name them, but you can easily look them up if you don't know them. That doesn't mean that you get a free show. Even the ones that allow public shows, are getting paid somehow. It costs a lot of money to run sites like those. The bills have to get paid somehow.

Fetish content always comes at a premium. This show wasn't a standard porn video. It's not a prerecorded video that you download and share. This is a live model catering to your very specific fetish, in real time. Have you EVER seen a site that offers that? She can, and should, be compensated for her time. Don't allow yourself to be spoiled by tube sites that steal content from hard working producers and distribute it without their permission. As I said earlier, this is her JOB. This is what she does for a living. Most of that content that you freely distribute among yourselves, are paid models. To be honest with you, charging $5 was extremely inexpensive because she didn't get a lot of response from you guys when she was charging what shows normally cost on cam sites. Is having a person cater to your fetish in real time not even worth that to you? If helping to fund your own community not important to you? If people don't pay for quality content, then professional producers and models won't make it any more and the vast majority of new, professionally made content will cease to exist.

[steve25805 121,074]

@goldenpiss ,I closed the other thread temporarily because in spite of my telling you that it was not the place for attacking or criticising the site, Admin or the mods, and that you needed to start a seperate thread to do so, you persistently ignored that and kept posting your criticism there. So I have blocked that thread temporarily to force you to do as instructed if you wished to air your grievances and start a seperate thread for it.

Now that you have done so, I will reopen that thread shortly.

And Egwalrus made his point, listened to the response and moved on. The post you made which I deleted sounded critical of Kimberly herself to me, when she never said what you were complaining about. If it was not intended as a criticism of her, then I apologise.

But as I pointed out to you, the original impression that all the peeing was free was a result of wording chosen by Admin. You really do need to take that up with him.

As for the $5...it is a very tiny amount of money for good fetish material, which is why complaining about it seems so cheap to me. That is just my personal opinion.

[goldenpiss 273]

If I may interject here...

I don't think that censoring members opinions here is the proper way to go about this. I would like to address some of these concerns if I can.

First thing's first, I didn't write the original post advertising the show. I'm sorry if you felt that it was misleading. However, may I ask what made you think that this would be a free show? I'd like you to think about that before you answer it, because quoting that post isn't going to cut it. Look at the post as a whole. Read with context. Do you think that cam models do this for their health or that literally thousands of women are exhibitionists and want nothing more than to invite you into their bedrooms and get naked for you? I think that's a very naive point of view if that's what you truly think. There are many cam sites that even put "free" in their names. Out of respect for those other companies, I won't name them, but you can easily look them up if you don't know them. That doesn't mean that you get a free show. Even the ones that allow public shows, are getting paid somehow. It costs a lot of money to run sites like those. The bills have to get paid somehow.

Fetish content always comes at a premium. This show wasn't a standard porn video. It's not a prerecorded video that you download and share. This is a live model catering to your very specific fetish, in real time. Have you EVER seen a site that offers that? She can, and should, be compensated for her time. Don't allow yourself to be spoiled by tube sites that steal content from hard working producers and distribute it without their permission. As I said earlier, this is her JOB. This is what she does for a living. Most of that content that you freely distribute among yourselves, are paid models. To be honest with you, charging $5 was extremely inexpensive because she didn't get a lot of response from you guys when she was charging what shows normally cost on cam sites. Is having a person cater to your fetish in real time not even worth that to you? If helping to fund your own community not important to you? If people don't pay for quality content, then professional producers and models won't make it any more and the vast majority of new, professionally made content will cease to exist.

The post make by Admin did state that it free show. No one need for context for advertise. That improper expectation. Instead it free to point and then payment ask for. If stated advance it would be fair and no complain rightly made. It not though. We trick instead. More than one feel such.

I must agree you approach to explain thing much better than attack and call peefan cheap. Steve step out of line and poor moderator of site by attack follow by thread close.

[goldenpiss 273]

I closed the other thread temporarily because in spite of my telling you that it was not the place for attacking or criticising the site, Admin or the mods, and that you needed to start a seperate thread to do so, you persistently ignored that and kept posting your your criticism there. So I have blocked that thread temporarily to force you to do as instructed if you wished to air your gievances and start a seperate thread for it.

Now that you have done so, I will reopen that thread shortly.

And Egwalrus made his point, listened to the response and moved on. The post you made which I deleted sounded critical of Kimberly herself to me, when she never said what you were complaining about. If it was not intended as a criticism of her, then I apologise.

But as I pointed out to you, the original impression that all the peeing was free was a result of wording chosen by Admin. You really do need to take that up with him.

As for the $5...it is a very timy amount of money for good fetish material, which is why complaining about it seems so cheap to me.

You act improperly call someone cheap for not agree with you. I clear respond to MyFetish. You no read? Tantrum not proper moderator act. MyFetish handle much more appropriate.

[steve25805 121,074]

If I may interject here...

I don't think that censoring members opinions here is the proper way to go about this. I would like to address some of these concerns if I can.

I was not attempting to silence him, merely trying to insist that he open a seperate thread to air his grievances instead of derailing that one. And trying to prevent what looked to me in the post I deleted like a borderline personal attack upon the integrity of another member, which Kimberley X now is. Which is against site rules.

I am not here to censor opinions I disagree with, but it is my role to uphold forum rules and to try and ensure that things are discussed in their proper place and prevent anything that could look like a personal attack.

[goldenpiss 273]

I was not attempting to silence him, merely trying to insist that he open a seperate thread to air his grievances instead of derailing that one. And trying to prevent what looked to me in the post I deleted like a borderline personal attack upon the integrity of another member, which Kimberley X now is. Which is against site rules.

I am not here to censor opinions I disagree with, but it is my role to uphold forum rules and to try and ensure that things are discussed in their proper place and prevent anything that could look like a personal attack.

I respond to MyFetish. If you read before remove you see that I click reply to MyFetish post. You only act to remove opinion other than yours. That improper behave! Is not attack me violate rule?

[MyFetishLIVE 1]

I appreciate that you "liked" or whatever you call it here, my post, but I think you're missing the point. I think you had a very valid opinion, but Steve was not inaccurate in what he was saying. You WERE being cheap. Live content is compensated content. Think about it. If someone who does this for a living was standing right in front of you, and you wanted to ask them to pee for you, and they said, I'll do it for $5, and you said "that's too expensive," that's not only you being cheap, but it's also insulting to the model. Is her time, effort and expertise, in your very specific fetish not worth even that amount? And do keep in mind that our models are very well compensated relative to any other cam site, and they only make 50% of what you tip. So out of your $5, she only gets $2.50. And you have a problem with giving this girl $2.50 for her to piss for you and say that it's too much...

[goldenpiss 273]

I appreciate that you "liked" or whatever you call it here, my post, but I think you're missing the point. I think you had a very valid opinion, but Steve was not inaccurate in what he was saying. You WERE being cheap. Live content is compensated content. Think about it. If someone who does this for a living was standing right in front of you, and you wanted to ask them to pee for you, and they said, I'll do it for $5, and you said "that's too expensive," that's not only you being cheap, but it's also insulting to the model. Is her time, effort and expertise, in your very specific fetish not worth even that amount? And do keep in mind that our models are very well compensated relative to any other cam site, and they only make 50% of what you tip. So out of your $5, she only gets $2.50. And you have a problem with giving this girl $2.50 for her to piss for you and say that it's too much...

You miss my point. It not $5 that problem. It that it was called free and not free. If it was state that show cost $5 then so be it. No complaint here. I have a problem with be deceived in advert not price of show. Rest of comment not valid for that.

[steve25805 121,074]

You miss my point. It not $5 that problem. It that it was called free and not free. If it was state that show cost $5 then so be it. No complaint here. I have a problem with be deceived in advert not price of show. Rest of comment not valid for that.

Ok fair enough.

I accept that.

But the comment you felt that misled you was made by our own Admin. So in reality, only he can respond to your criticisms of that. Because only he can clearly state what it is he was trying to say and why.

And perhaps I should have been a little more diplomatic with you. Apologies for my failure to be so.

[goldenpiss 273]

Ok fair enough.

I accept that.

But the comment you felt that misled you was made by our own Admin. So in reality, only he can respond to your criticisms of that. Because only he can clearly state what it is he was trying to say and why.

And perhaps I should have been a little more diplomatic with you. Apologies for my failure to be so.

Perhaps? That excuse you for act in a way no members be allowed to act? Shall I be allowed to attack other member and then apologize to?

[MyFetishLIVE 1]

You miss my point. It not $5 that problem. It that it was called free and not free. If it was state that show cost $5 then so be it. No complaint here. I have a problem with be deceived in advert not price of show. Rest of comment not valid for that.

What it said in the original post was that Kimmie was a "featured model" and "The cams are free to watch, but the models do work off of tips so please be prepared to tip if you can." That doesn't say that the show is free. I'm sorry that you feel so betrayed by this, but you're not reading with any kind of context. If you go to MyFreeCams you can't get pissed off (no pun intended) because a model asks you to tip her or asks you to take her into a paid private chat. It's not false advertising. This is how cam sites work. This is how cam models make a living. Can I come into your job and demand that you to work for free?

[steve25805 121,074]

I respond to MyFetish. If you read before remove you see that I click reply to MyFetish post. You only act to remove opinion other than yours. That improper behave! Is not attack me violate rule?

Well sorry but it looked to me like the post I deleted was an unjustified attack upon Kimberley for something she never said which is why I deleted it. If I misinterpreted it I apologise.

[steve25805 121,074]

Perhaps? That excuse you for act in a way no members be allowed to act? Shall I be allowed to attack other member and then apologize to?

You do make it very hard to be diplomatic. :laugh:

[goldenpiss 273]

What it said in the original post was that Kimmie was a "featured model" and "The cams are free to watch, but the models do work off of tips so please be prepared to tip if you can." That doesn't say that the show is free. I'm sorry that you feel so betrayed by this, but you're not reading with any kind of context. If you go to MyFreeCams you can't get pissed off (no pun intended) because a model asks you to tip her or asks you to take her into a paid private chat. It's not false advertising. This is how cam sites work. This is how cam models make a living. Can I come into your job and demand that you to work for free?

Tip is optional. If you say prepare to pay fee that different and honest. Tip is not. All the extra excuse you add not part of relevant discussion. No one say you not have right to be pay for service. Just need to be up front about it. Saying tip instead of fee not honest represent.

[goldenpiss 273]

You do make it very hard to be diplomatic. :laugh:

You should be diplomatic before attack. May not attack member and then cry that he not nice in return.

[goldenpiss 273]

Well sorry but it looked to me like the post I deleted was an unjustified attack upon Kimberley for something she never said which is why I deleted it. If I misinterpreted it I apologise.

Did I ever state her name. No. Was your attack on me justify?

[MyFetishLIVE 1]

Tip is optional. If you say prepare to pay fee that different and honest. Tip is not. All the extra excuse you add not part of relevant discussion. No one say you not have right to be pay for service. Just need to be up front about it. Saying tip instead of fee not honest represent.

If you go to a strip club, you can sit and watch the girls on the stage for free. If a girl comes up to you, yeah, you don't have to tip her, but you kind of look like a dick if you don't. If you want a private dance, that ALWAYS costs. Just because you can sit and watch them on stage for free doesn't mean that a private dance is. I'm sorry, but your logic just isn't sound here.

[steve25805 121,074]

You should be diplomatic before attack. May not attack member and then cry that he not nice in return.

I did not attack you. I simply stated that in my opinion to complain about paying $5 for live acts of pee fetishism looks cheap to me. If you wish to see that as a personal attack, that's your call.

And I deleted a post that looked to me like an attack on the integrity of Kimberly. And I bluntly told you that you needed to start another thread to air your grievances instead of derailing that one. When you persistently refused such a simple request and kept attempting to continue it there, with me deleting it again three or four times, I closed it temporarily to force you to do as instructed and open a new thread for it.

And that's about it.

[goldenpiss 273]

If you go to a strip club, you can sit and watch the girls on the stage for free. If a girl comes up to you, yeah, you don't have to tip her, but you kind of look like a dick if you don't. If you want a private dance, that ALWAYS costs. Just because you can sit and watch them on stage for free doesn't mean that a private dance is. I'm sorry, but your logic just isn't sound here.

Tip optional. Fee mandatory. What more need to be say? You keep make excuses for poor method of advert. Compare to private show failed logic and serve make you look bad to other potent customer that read. I no longer discuss.

[goldenpiss 273]

I did not attack you. I simply stated that in my opinion to complain about paying $5 for live acts of pee fetishism looks cheap to me. If you wish to see that as a personal attack, that's your call.

And I deleted a post that looked to me like an attack on the integrity of Kimberly. And I bluntly told you that you needed to start another thread to air your grievances instead of derailing that one. When you persistently refused such a simple request and kept attempting to continue it there, with me deleting it again three or four times, I closed it temporarily to force you to do as instructed and open a new thread for it.

And that's about it.

And you are being so fucking cheap that you are complaining about that!

That clearly attack. No excuse for behavior. If act such way I be shown door. You act that way and pat self on back.

[steve25805 121,074]

Did I ever state her name. No. Was your attack on me justify?

You didn't state anyone else's name either, so I could only go by how it appeared. And it's tone sounded critical of those asking for the $5.

[goldenpiss 273]

You didn't state anyone else's name either, so I could only go by how it appeared. And it's tone sounded critical of those asking for the $5.

I clearly reply to Fetish. It say his name in the quote box. Since you remove I cannot prove. Good coverup?

[steve25805 121,074]

And you are being so fucking cheap that you are complaining about that!

That clearly attack. No excuse for behavior. If act such way I be shown door. You act that way and pat self on back.

Like I said, I should have been more diplomatic. But frankly, you HAVE come across here as being cheap.

[goldenpiss 273]

Like I said, I should have been more diplomatic. But frankly, you HAVE come across here as being cheap.

You come across as be rude and not able to moderate without being ass. I see now why so many member and so few post.