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My mother and 3 younger sisters usually peed with the door open, unless my father, or other males, from outside the family, were present. I learned, early on, that this was not a common custom, in other families, where the women and girls usually closed and even locked the bathroom door. A few of them would carry on conversations through closed doors, while peeing. The extremely modest ones would run tap water to cover their sounds. The girls I dated, as a teenager in the 1950's behaved similarly.

Finally, in the 1970's, a lady I dated, from work, when we were both in our thirties, left the door half open, when she peed, on our first night together, before we had even had sex, for the first time. She had a very sexy hiss, and  she started and stopped, several times. This was a huge turn-on for me, of course, but I really didn't know how to deal with it. Was she just very relaxed, and "liberated," or was she teasing me, or trying to turn me on, or see if I was interested? I never dared to ask, or bring up the subject with her, for fear of being labeled a "creep" among my coworkers. We dated, off and on, for 10 years afterward, and she always did the same thing, when we were together, and she needed to pee. I still never brought up the subject with her. I have told this story to other women, and  they all agree that she was trying to find out if I was interested in her peeing. So I probably missed out on what could have been a very rewarding experience!

More than 80 years ago, literally at my mother's  knee! (lol)

On 12/21/2023 at 11:25 AM, puddyls said:

i know its nothing new, but sometimes i just feel like letting you see my muffin.

Love your very pretty muffin and your pose, with your lips and legs slightly open, like you're ready to release one of your very sexy streams! I never tire of seeing your lovely muffin and your beautiful thighs. They're always unique. Thanks for sharing this view.

19 hours ago, puddyls said:

sometimes you do it just because you can

Love your attitude, @puddyls !

I have had occasional dreams about watching girls or women I know pee, virtually all of my life. The first one I remember was of a woman who lived across the street from our house, peeing a strong, wide yellow stream, while standing up in her shower. I watched it come out forwards, and run down her legs. I am guessing that I was 5 or 6 years old, at the time. 

@Fan of girls peeingI agree with you that the psychology of girls, with respect to their pee sounds, is quite complicated, and is made more so by their conditioning by misguided parents, and others. I believe it caused a lot of needless anxiety in my generation, and some later ones. The motivations of the people doing the guiding is as complicated and questionable as the results, in those who are being guided or conditioned, as you indicate.

4 hours ago, Fan of girls peeing said:

Well several girls do think that their pee sounds are very hot and due to them thinking it's very hot they try to hide them from certain people especially guys they are not attracted to. They try to hide their pee sounds completely or at least make them less noisy and erotic. 

Yes, you're absolutely right about that, for girls in that situation, aware that guy(s) to whom they are not attracted may be able to hear their sounds. But there is another group, probably more abundant and common, in my generation, who hide their sounds from guys they like, because they have been conditioned to believe their sounds are unattractive. Two of my best g.f.'s were in this group. One ran tap water to cover her sounds, while another peed as quietly as possible, at times in our relationships when they were very attracted to me. I found this out much later, when I discussed it with them.

@Fan of girls peeingI believe that some girls don't think their pee sounds are hot, at all, but embarrassing, so they try to hide them. It's hard to tell which group a girl identifies with, unless you know her very well.

@BlindListenerI have heard the whistling sound, on rare occasions. Wish I could refer you to a recording, but I haven't found any.

@Fan of girls peeingYes, it is very hard to respond to presumed teases, or strong negative reactions, all of which may be faked, for one reason, or another. That was one reason why I didn't relate to "Ellie" about leaving the door open. I had heard that openness about peeing, was a tenet of some newly "liberated" women of the '70's, who thought of peeing as a natural act, completely devoid of sexual connotations, either positive or negative. So if I revealed that it was a turnon for me, she could possibly be offended, in that context, and I could lose the opportunities I did have, to listen to her.

@Fan of girls peeingVery interesting and exciting story. Thanks for sharing. I'm sure she was trying to get a reaction out of you, at the very least. It seems that attitudes toward peeing have changed a lot, toward the more permissive, over the past several decades. Indicating an interest in peeing was a big taboo, especially for women, when I was your age, although it was still there, not far under the surface. Some girls thought it was sexy and exciting, but a large majority were conditioned to believe that it was dirty, disgusting, perverse, or all of the above. And many guys followed this conditioning, outwardly, whether they believed it, or not. So girls were understandably confused, and guys didn't know whether to reveal their interests, or suppress them, for fear of being branded a pervert. I have encountered surprisingly good reactions to my interests, as well as strong negative ones. 

I grew up with a very attractive girl, with whom I had an attraction and a strong Platonic friendship, from junior high school, onward. I would "stand guard" for her, when she needed to pee in open public toilets, late at night, by standing outside the doors, while she peed, and continued talking with me, telling me the toilet seat was cold, etc.. But we were never sexually involved. I never got to actually watch her pee, and I couldn't hear her sounds very well, from outside the bathrooms. One time, when we were in our late teens or early twenties, she invited me to ask her anything at all that I wanted to know about girls. Taking her at her word, I said I wanted to know how they peed, did she herself sit or squat, how did it come out, etc. She flew into a rage, saying that she just sat like me when I sh*t, and berated me for even asking her such a question, which she had not expected. She thought I would ask her what turned girls on, etc. I finally managed to calm her down, and the friendship survived for many more years, but I took that as a warning. Her relaxed bathroom behavior had led me to believe that she was totally cool with peeing, when she was not. That experience made me over cautious, and I probably missed out on some good opportunities, over several years afterward. 

17 hours ago, Fan of girls peeing said:

So let's say you once were hanging out at a friend's house and let's say his wife or girlfriend was also there. And let's say at one point or another she went in the bathroom to pee and closed her door before starting her pee. Well if such conditions ever happened to you then did that girl tried to hide her very hot pee sounds or she just didn't care and let you hear it anyways? Or did it matter from time to time?

I was in that situation quite a few times, and I was under the impression that the woman just let it happen, without it bothering her very much.

Did any girls look at your pant's to see if you had a bulge after she came out from peeing? And also look at the reaction on your face to see how your reacted to her pee sounds? And what do you mean by some of them that almost dared you to comment on them? 

I don't remember any of the women in these situations looking pointedly at my pants or my face. In different situations, like in bars, at happy hour, I could sometimes get looks or comments by asking if everything came out OK, or saying "That was quick," or "You really had to go!,"etc. On rare occasions, when a girl was aware that I had heard her sounds, she might say something like, "That was a big relief!" or something similar, to engage me, or dare me to comment. I didn't always know how to respond to those situations, unless I knew the girl very well. For example, I once asked a girl, who was a close friend, if the Ladies rooms were kept clean, in a particular bar, just to engage her. She answered, "Not really." I then followed with "Do you sit or squat when you go?" "I squat!" she replied, with a wicked grin, which I didn't expect. I should have replied to that with something like, "That sounds very sexy!" But I didn't.   

29 minutes ago, Fan of girls peeing said:

The other one who had accidentally peed on an ex maybe her ex was taught that body waste is gross no matter what or who it's from. And perhaps it was nothing to do with him being taught that finding girls peeing hot is a sexual turn off and socially unacceptable. A lot of people find body waste gross and maybe that is why he never called her again. Whether he assumed it was by accident or on purpose he probably thought her peeing on him is gross. Anyway I am talking about woman who you never dated. Any woman besides the dentist that you never dated, and these other woman at times did they tried to hide their very sexy pee sounds from you at times? But other times on purpose these girls you never dated hissed and gushed their pee like crazy to test and tease you? 

I am aware of, and agree with you on all of the social factors you list. Among girls whom I never dated, I rarely got to talk to them, on an intimate level, so I have no idea whether they tried to hide their sounds from me, especially if they succeeded. A few other more or less Platonic female friends have shared low-key pee stories with me, commented on how bad they had to pee, etc., so I was made aware that peeing is a potentially erotic act, to some of them, whether it involves hearing or seeing. So I can only guess. The interesting ones, to me, are those who make no attempt to hide their sounds, at all, and almost dare me to comment on them. I have experienced a number of those, in addition to the hygienist, over a lifetime of interest, and have occasionally made comments, in a humorous vein.

3 minutes ago, Fan of girls peeing said:

What behaviors did the other woman exhibit with you regarding their pissing? They tried to hide the sounds at times? Ever met girls who tried to hide the pee sounds at times from you? But slso some of those woman if not all, at times let you hear them pee? 

One of several, all of whom became long-time g.f.'s, ran tap water to cover her pee sounds, in her apartment, when we first started dating. When I asked her about it, much later in our relationship, she claimed she was just getting the water warm, to wash her hands. It took a long time for her to allow me to come in the bathroom with her, and watch her pee, which she insisted on doing, with her thighs pressed tightly together, so I couldn't see anything interesting. Still later, when we had broken up and gotten back together, she began doing it with her legs open, so I could see everything. She explained that she had kept her legs together because I had "pushed it too hard" earlier in our relationship, so she didn't want me to see everything that I wanted.

Another g.f., was great, sexually, wanting to do it in parked cars, etc., but she was extremely reticent about her peeing, always closing and locking the bathroom door. We even went on a weekend trip, during which she did the same things. I revealed my fetish, and told her how much it turned me on, begged and pleaded, to no avail, for about a year. Finally, I was able to get her to leave the bathroom door open a crack, so I could hear her pee, promising that I would not come in and watch her. After listening to her nice hiss, I asked if I could come in, and help her wipe, and she said OK. When I entered, she saw that I had a raging hard-on (we were both naked), and she was delighted. I wiped her and licked her to an orgasm, right there on the toilet, and she was convinced. I asked what had caused her to wait so long, since she obviously liked sex. She told me that she had a devastating experience with a previous lover. He was getting her off by hand one night, and she accidentally peed on his hand, when she came. His reaction was to wash his hands, take a shower, and leave the room, immediately, never to call her, again. She had been raised with the conviction that men were turned off by female peeing, and this experience proved to her that it was true. So she resolved never to let it happen again, especially with me. She said that my obvious positive reaction to just listening to her pee, proved that it really turned me on. So we went on to have a very "wet" relationship, for 3 more years, during which she peed beside parked cars, and even in my mouth, once.

1 hour ago, Fan of girls peeing said:

I see all that. So did that Dentist ever try to hide her pee sounds from you? And the other woman may have a had a pee fetish or perhaps she was just testing to see how you react to her pee sounds. How about any other girls besides them? Ever heard any girls pee with hissing sounds in the toilet for a few seconds only for then to later on completely mask the sounds or at least make the sounds noisy and erotic? I've known any girls who let you hear them pee sometimes but not others? Any girl peed in a toilet close within your hearing and then after being done she came out of the bathroom to see if you got a boner and a excited or a shocked look on your face? And if she saw any of these she smirked at you or something? 

That dental hygienist never tried to hide her pee sounds from me, to the best of my knowledge. I was her first appointment of that day. She was very relaxed with me, as she set up the chair, saying things like, "That's going to piss me off!" before making an adjustment, etc. We had known each other, for several years.

I now think the other woman, whom I call "Ellie," probably had a pee fetish, and wanted to see if I shared her interest. She repeated this behavior many times, over our long, but intermittent relationship. Many other women exhibited some of the behaviors you describe, with me, later, when I had become much braver and more experienced, less inhibited about making comments, indicating my interest. I have posted details of most of my experiences right here on Pee Fans.

47 minutes ago, puddyls said:

aside from just watching traffic go by as i sipped on some wine out by the street, a random pedestrian walking by stopped to ask me what time it was. and as intimidating as that can be sometimes, it can also feel just as naughty and exciting having an unfamiliar man standing so close knowing my panties are very much visible. i couldn't see his face that well in the dark, but i wonder if he realized what was right there in front of him as well? 🤭

You're very brave, as usual! I hope he was aware, and didn't miss out on such a lovely sight!

5 hours ago, Pee_punk said:

I applaud the women that hover. It's a rare occurrence based on my experience.

I do, too! It may not be as rare as we males think, especially in public facilities. To me, it is the sexiest style for watching women pee. I use all-gender facilities, in many retail stores, and often see telltale patterns of dribbles on seats and the floor, after women use them.

On 9/21/2023 at 4:42 AM, knarf11 said:

She did let me watch occasionally, but generally she was very much against me seeing her peeing

A very common situation, unfortunately. Condolences!

4 hours ago, Fan of girls peeing said:

I too think that girls are confused about their peeing sounds, many of them might be taught that it's unladylike but also realize just how sexy the female pee sounds truly are. But I also wonder who would teach girls that they are pee sounds are gross and a turn off for men when in reality it's the exact opposite? Perhaps a case of reverse psychology. Teach them their pee sounds are gross and a turn off to guys and to hide it from guys even though many girls probably realize the hissing and gushing pee sounds are rather hot to listen to. Maybe it's people's way of lying to them that their pee sounds suck in order to get them to hide them or at least make them less erotic and sexy. So if girls hide their pee sounds or at least make them less noisy and erotic then they won't end up sexually arousing every guy who hears them pee. But I guess peeing very loud is why people call it unladylike and not the sexy hissing and gushing sounds. But I think every girl actually realizes that girls pee sounds are very erotic even if they don't know much about the pee fetish. And perhaps you can talk to some of the ladies on this site about how they feel about people hearing them pee as well as seeing them go if they are okay with you taking to them about it. 

 

You continue to post very insightful thoughts about this subject. Thank you again for sharing. I have wondered about some of these attitudes for a lifetime, or at least for decades. I have talked to the ladies here about these things, multiple times, in several of my public posts, but received only a few answers. I have also talked to a few ladies, some sexual partners, some Platonic friends, in the real world, but I have been less than courageous about introducing these subjects, for fear of being branded a "perv." since I have encountered strongly negative reactions, in a few cases. 

"Ever known girls that tease you with their sexy pee sounds by hissing and gushing super loudly even if they are not or were never your sexual partners?"

Yes, I have had a few of these, exactly as you describe. One was a dental hygienist, back in  the sixties, who did a long, loud, hissing piss, which she had to know was audible to me, through a very thin wall, between the dental chair, and the bathroom. I think she knew that I was in lust with her, and she may have been testing me for a reaction. Unfortunately, or fortunately, I maintained my composure, with some difficulty.

But another one, which was far more interesting, was with a coworker, with whom I had a sexual relationship, off and on, for about 10 years, starting in the early seventies. She had a habit of always leaving the bathroom door half open, when she peed, so I could hear all of her sounds. She had a very loud hiss, and she usually stopped and restarted, with a gush, several times, in one trip to the bathroom, while I listened. I even got a look at her, sitting on the toilet, once, through the half-open door, on our very first overnight date. Of course, I wanted very much to talk with her about her very sexy sounds, and watch her pee, up close and personal, but I didn't dare bring up the subject with her, for fear of her reaction, and whatever she might say about me, on the office grapevine. I didn't know if she was intentionally teasing or testing me, or my interests, or whether she was just very relaxed, with men with whom she had sexual relationships, and might react very badly to my interests, so she might start closing the door, or stop seeing me, altogether. In subsequent years, I described her behavior to several women friends, some in person, some online, and they all agreed that she was looking for a reaction from me. So I probably missed out big time! I have described the relationship in detail, in my Pee Fans posts about "Ellie." Needless to say, I tried very hard not to make that mistake again, in subsequent relationships! 

19 hours ago, Fan of girls peeing said:

I think not just some but perhaps every human girl that can hear knows what girls sound like when they  pee. And perhaps quite a lot of girls realize that their pee sounds are very unique and very erotic too. And the female piss desperation along with sighs of relief and a girl saying something like this to herself while in the act of peeing, "Oh man I really had to pee" all of this is very erotic along with it all being embarrassing too. I think many girls who try to hide their very sexy pee sounds or at least make their pee sounds less noisy and sexy by like spreading the lips to stop the hiss or at least make it less noisy and sexy do so for several reasons. Yes many are embarrassed by them for several reasons. 

Perhaps to many girls someone even knowing that they are peeing inside the closed bathroom is something they don't like. But it's also probably due to sexiness of the hissing and gushing sounds. Perhaps many girls feel that not everyone should hear their very sexy pee sounds. Maybe the girls that try to hide their peeing sounds or at least make the sounds less hotter and less noisy, do it because they realize the potential listener might be sexually aroused by their pee sounds. And maybe girls that try to hide it also do it because they may not like every guy getting a boner after hearing them pee. But girls even try to hide their pee desperation and many don't even want to tell people especially guys that they have to pee. And many girls also don't want you to hear the sighs of relief during peeing and the stuff they say while in the act of peeing like, "oh man I had to pee so bad." I think many girls also think the whole peeing thing is so unlady like. It's like to them girls shouldn't be peeing even though they do. 

Thanks for a very thorough discussion of the pee sound issue, and the differences of opinion among women, in the context of the circumstances under which they might be heard. It must be very confusing for them, if they are aware of it, at all. I have had conversations with some women who claim they don't care if anyone hears their pee sounds, as long as no one watches them, visually. Some are very aware of the strongly erotic effects that their sounds may have on men, and may try to enhance, or minimize those effects, depending on the situation and their relationship to the potential listener, as you point out, so clearly. I think that some women may have been conditioned to believe that their pee sounds are not only unladylike, but actually disgusting, especially to men, which puts pressure on them to hide those sounds, to make themselves more attractive. I have had conversations with women on this point. And I have heard many men make comments which encourage that belief, even though they may be concealing a raging hard-on, as they speak. So what is a woman to believe? Thanks again for a very perceptive post. Hope to see further discussion, especially from some of the ladies, on this subject.  

1 minute ago, Fan of girls peeing said:

Hmm not sure about that but we both can girls that female urination is sexy to a fault to both the eyes and the ears too. The sounds girls make when they pee are way too sexy. I bet many girls are very proud about their gushing and hissing pee sounds being so ridiculously hot. Sometimes they even add a whistling sound, and sort of a reverb or echo sound along with that spectacular hiss while peeing. And when they do that their pee sounds become even hotter. And when they have big pussy lips along with lots of skin folds getting in their way then the really sexy hiss gets even hotter as if it's not already hot enough. 

And yet, some women are apparently aware of the erotic appeal of their pee sounds, and are embarrassed by them! They may think they are gross, and they may try to cover them, with the sounds of running tap water, or they try to piss silently down the porcelain walls of toilets, etc. Differences in psychology. What causes them?

@Fan of girls peeingI totally agree, again. Sometimes, I think that the word "piss," in English, originated from men describing women's urination, rather than men's. 

52 minutes ago, Fan of girls peeing said:

Yeah some girls definitely try to completely hide their pee sounds or at least make their pee sounds less audible. But other girls are exact opposite and don't care about exactly who hears them pee even when they get those really sexy gushing and hissing sounds while peeing. And some girls will try to be discreet sometimes but other times the same girls won't try to be discreet with their pee sounds. Human females are such fascinating creatures. And their behavior regarding many things can be very fascinating too, especially when their peeing is involved. But I say girls are truly doing what you call a piss. And a girl taking a hissing power piss or a gushing piss is rather arousing to both the eyes and also to the ears. Keep hissing and gushing your piss ladies! Keep doing it! 

I totally agree with you. You are summarizing a lifetime of my observations, very well. I remember some posts from a lady on another forum, long ago. Her screen name was "Hisses when she pisses." Just reading her screen name was a turn-on, for me!

@knarf11I neglected to mention that your ex-wife made a lot of sense, when she said that hovering kept her pussy drier. A good squat can often separate the lips, so they don't deflect or interfere with the stream, causing it to sprinkle or spray, leaving dribbles where they can't be avoided. Watching her pee must have been very exciting, for you! I'm surprised that she was concerned about the sound of her pee, when she was doing it in a very erotic visual style! 

11 hours ago, Bacardi said:

I prefer not to hover because my balance isn't good and my stream is too unpredictable. In the past I've tried to hover over a messy toilet and ended up peeing all over it and the floor. So it I come across a messy bathroom I hold it till I can get to a clean one that I can sit on.

I understand your situation, and sympathize. I am an older male, with prostate problems, so I have little choice but to use whatever facilities are available.